dirt dummy 105 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 i say we close this thread before it becomes the usual political bullshit five years of this crap is enough.Don't see why there is no name calling here. No one has to click on this thread if they don't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirt dummy 105 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 John(CKF), if you continued your research you might find that I have thought better of my position of the past(I just did a search and the slednh posts from the past only go back one year, so my posts reflecting a change of heart are no longer available for me to link). As the post you quoted of mine states I thought at the time Dave wasn't handling the situation well, and it sure did appear that way. WELL, some time have since passed, and I can tell you that I truely no longer feel that way. I know if what had happened to him had happened to me you may have seen my name in the police blotter. I feel what's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, and I'm not afraid to say it or put up a fight to let others know I feel that way. I feel that is what he way doing, and he felt betrayed.I feel that there was an agenda for removing Dave from the helm of the grass drags and discrediting him and the missing paperwork was the method employed. I'm sure if he felt that he had to keep copies of everything submitted to cover his hide he would have, but it is likely he thought everyone was playing for the same team and he just passed along paperwork just like he had always done in the past. I suppose it is his mistake for trusting others.I know Dave didn't cut any checks and had to submit paperwork to get them issued, so the fault here, if there is one, may very well lie with another.BTW- John I just called you to thank you from bringing in my very old post from HCS but not my more recent ones(with a different opinion) from the no longer viewable archieves of SLEDNH.In recent times I have stopped attending meetings in Tilton, as I feel they no longer value my opinion in Tilton(since I have been rather critical of things), and they reinstituted a rule from the past, only giving a brief moment of time to visitors(and before issues being voted upon come to the table).Its funny to look back at HCS even Skip had a different outlook on the NHSA. Remember this one Clic Click Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul D 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 Don't see why there is no name calling here. No one has to click on this thread if they don't like it.No kidding this thread is at least related to snowmobiling in NH. Less than 50% of the threads on the first page share that distinction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RayC 20 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 And now , "The rest of the story.....:The third side of the story . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ckf 295 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 John(CKF), if you continued your research you might find that I have thought better of my position of the past(I just did a search and the slednh posts from the past only go back one year, so my posts reflecting a change of heart are no longer available for me to link). As the post you quoted of mine states I thought at the time Dave wasn't handling the situation well, and it sure did appear that way. WELL, some time have since passed, and I can tell you that I truely no longer feel that way. I know if what had happened to him had happened to me you may have seen my name in the police blotter. I feel what's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, and I'm not afraid to say it or put up a fight to let others know I feel that way. I feel that is what he way doing, and he felt betrayed.I feel that there was an agenda for removing Dave from the helm of the grass drags and discrediting him and the missing paperwork was the method employed. I'm sure if he felt that he had to keep copies of everything submitted to cover his hide he would have, but it is likely he thought everyone was playing for the same team and he just passed along paperwork just like he had always done in the past. I suppose it is his mistake for trusting others.I know Dave didn't cut any checks and had to submit paperwork to get them issued, so the fault here, if there is one, may very well lie with another.BTW- John I just called you to thank you from bringing in my very old post from HCS but not my more recent ones(with a different opinion) from the no longer viewable archieves of SLEDNH.In recent times I have stopped attending meetings in Tilton, as I feel they no longer value my opinion in Tilton(since I have been rather critical of things), and they reinstituted a rule from the past, only giving a brief moment of time to visitors(and before issues being voted upon come to the table).No wonder I couldn't find anything on SledNH. The software upgrade had a new setting for the number of days a search would use. It was set to 365 days by default. All the information was still there but you had to find it manually. I just changed the settings so you should be able to search all the posts on the forum. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. You are entitled to change you opinion. What you can't change are facts. You indicated that Mr Copeland was a renegade that didn't follow the rules. The only thing I have to go by is what was said by you after you attended the meetings. Even if the NHSA had given him a hard time, two wrongs don't make a right. Based on what you said, plus what I have been told happened at the recent meeting, I believe the association made the right move. I guess we can agree to disagree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RayC 20 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 Its funny to look back at HCS even Skip had a different outlook on the NHSA. Remember this one Clic Click"Our goal? To restore transparency to the NHSA and to open up and foster two way communication between the Board, directors and you the member!<BR itxtvisited="1"><BR itxtvisited="1">But our ultimate goal, regardless of who runs and who is eventually elected, is to effect positive and needed change from within.<BR itxtvisited="1"><BR itxtvisited="1">Skip "Well, it sounds great so lets start by having Min's of the mettings POSTED.Also, some how and some way a reinstatement of Dave should be in order, with a apology in order.(all charges dropped}Well , if it happened to us we would like to have our name cleared,would'nt we?So ......this sport is to important to all of us and that is why transparency and change from within must happen OR"WE WILL fall from within" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul D 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 What I later learned was that he had to get someone else to cut checks. I know as treasurer of my club, and I won't write checks for anything without proper documentation. You get my drift? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rivercat 119 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 After lenghty conversations with Dave, Skip, and my County Director here is what I am seeing, the NHSA BOD "greeted" Dave to the very meeting he was to be sworn in at WITHOUT offering Dave a "heads up " as to how the meeting was going to be "directed" There were people ( "directors") in attendence that felt "uncomfortable" with statements Dave had made ten months ago (before Dave was voted in a county director) Ten months may or may not be a long time depending on how much water is over the dam at this point. The BOD of NHSA wanted an apology from Dave, as odd as it may sound I feel if this was on the BOD's mind SOMEONE shoud have had the common sense to tip Dave off as to what was "expected" of him at his first meeting. I have been in "that seat" I did get the "heads up " before my meeting, facing a room full of people who are "stareing" you down doesn't feel real good. I do not know one person who would not feel "defensive" in the situation Dave was placed, The bottom line is NHSA has made mistakes, I have made mistakes, everyone has, members of Rockangham County voted, If NHSA is a "director run organization" that is run "by the book" then I fail to see the 'threat",,,, sleeves need to be rolled up and people need to get to work on the things at hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zekester 1 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 i say we close this thread before it becomes the usual political bullshit five years of this crap is enough.I say we leave it. How much room is there at the meeting? Maybe we should see how many people we can fit in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RK-SXViper 144 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 After lenghty conversations with Dave, Skip, and my County Director here is what I am seeing, the NHSA BOD "greeted" Dave to the very meeting he was to be sworn in at WITHOUT offering Dave a "heads up " as to how the meeting was going to be "directed" There were people ( "directors") in attendence that felt "uncomfortable" with statements Dave had made ten months ago (before Dave was voted in a county director) Ten months may or may not be a long time depending on how much water is over the dam at this point. The BOD of NHSA wanted an apology from Dave, as odd as it may sound I feel if this was on the BOD's mind SOMEONE shoud have had the common sense to tip Dave off as to what was "expected" of him at his first meeting. I have been in "that seat" I did get the "heads up " before my meeting, facing a room full of people who are "stareing" you down doesn't feel real good. I do not know one person who would not feel "defensive" in the situation Dave was placed, The bottom line is NHSA has made mistakes, I have made mistakes, everyone has, members of Rockangham County voted, If NHSA is a "director run organization" that is run "by the book" then I fail to see the 'threat",,,, sleeves need to be rolled up and people need to get to work on the things at hand.I couldn't agree more. The members of Rockingham county have gotten over the past and moved on, the NHSA BOD needs to do the same. We've got trails to work on and bridges to build (litterally), accept our voted in county director and let us get to work! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirt dummy 105 Report post Posted July 1, 2010 I couldn't agree more. The members of Rockingham county have gotten over the past and moved on, the NHSA BOD needs to do the same. We've got trails to work on and bridges to build (litterally), accept our voted in county director and let us get to work!I second that motion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bilbo 85 Report post Posted July 2, 2010 I second that motion.Yep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul D 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2010 (edited) No wonder I couldn't find anything on SledNH. The software upgrade had a new setting for the number of days a search would use. It was set to 365 days by default. All the information was still there but you had to find it manually. I just changed the settings so you should be able to search all the posts on the forum. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. You are entitled to change you opinion. What you can't change are facts. You indicated that Mr Copeland was a renegade that didn't follow the rules. The only thing I have to go by is what was said by you after you attended the meetings. Even if the NHSA had given him a hard time, two wrongs don't make a right. Based on what you said, plus what I have been told happened at the recent meeting, I believe the association made the right move. I guess we can agree to disagree Regarding the bolded and inderlined statement above. Why is what I said way back when the only thing you have to go by? Maybe some more research is in order? or a return phone call to me? I did leave you a message last evening.The saying comes to mind, "the ends DON'T justify the means" and it couldn't be more true in this scenario. Dave went to be sworn in after many months of quiet regarding his so called threat? That scenario is just plain wrong I don't care how you slice it! Edited July 2, 2010 by Paul D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RayC 20 Report post Posted July 2, 2010 I couldn't agree more. The members of Rockingham county have gotten over the past and moved on, the NHSA BOD needs to do the same. We've got trails to work on and bridges to build (litterally), accept our voted in county director and let us get to work!"accept our voted in county director and let us get to work! "Thats all it takes, doing the right thing.I am sure this request can be done with a reinstatement of Dave, and get on with Snowmobiling.SO? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Thumper 150 Report post Posted July 2, 2010 It's sad that so many aspects of our lives are affected - sometimes governed - by fear of legal action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RayC 20 Report post Posted July 2, 2010 Between them all what would be a great thing to happen is.............."A Handshake can be construed to mean "we're ok"( in this case for the good of snowmobiling ) or even that an informal understanding has been reached, (possible reinstatement) as in the proverbial handshake deal. And on a still deeper level, it can mean "everything's OK between us," particularly after some conflict has been resolved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RK-SXViper 144 Report post Posted July 2, 2010 Between them all what would be a great thing to happen is.............."A Handshake can be construed to mean "we're ok"( in this case for the good of snowmobiling ) or even that an informal understanding has been reached, (possible reinstatement) as in the proverbial handshake deal. And on a still deeper level, it can mean "everything's OK between us," particularly after some conflict has been resolved. It's up to the BOD to extend the olive branch and reinstate Dave. Every member that reads this thread needs to call their county director and tell them how you feel on this subject. The county directors should follow the wishes of their respective counties and vote for the members wishes. I know the system isn't perfect but if enough people speek up the BOD should listen and act on our wishes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smthopr8r 24 Report post Posted July 3, 2010 It's up to the BOD to extend the olive branch and reinstate Dave. Every member that reads this thread needs to call their county director and tell them how you feel on this subject. The county directors should follow the wishes of their respective counties and vote for the members wishes. I know the system isn't perfect but if enough people speek up the BOD should listen and act on our wishes.I think thats a great idea! Lets see, whats Daves phone#, oops thats not going to work, maybe Gary, oh yeah he's already out, who was director before Gary, thats Dave again!! Houston, we have a problem, this could take awhile!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Thumper 150 Report post Posted July 3, 2010 It's up to the BOD to extend the olive branch and reinstate Dave. Every member that reads this thread needs to call their county director and tell them how you feel on this subject. The county directors should follow the wishes of their respective counties and vote for the members wishes. I know the system isn't perfect but if enough people speek up the BOD should listen and act on our wishes.Cool idea Rob Let's see - I live in Rockingham County, so my director is .....Oh CRAP !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rivercat 119 Report post Posted July 4, 2010 Cool idea Rob Let's see - I live in Rockingham County, so my director is .....Oh CRAP !!!Well Thump,,,,,,,,,,,,, just an idea,,,, maybe for any county that has no director, should email each county director that boarders their county and constructivly as possible air your feelings/concerns regarding this situation ,,,,, all email addresses are on the NHSA website, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RayC 20 Report post Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) Well Thump,,,,,,,,,,,,, just an idea,,,, maybe for any county that has no director, should email each county director that boarders their county and constructivly as possible air your feelings/concerns regarding this situation ,,,,, all email addresses are on the NHSA website,Here is some info for this awsome Fouth of July .....................2010-2011 NHSA County DirectorsBELKNAP DIRECTOR ~ Vacant ~ BELKNAP ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~ CARROL DIRECTORTom WillandPO Box 13Wolfeboro Falls, NH 03896569-4130tops4u@metrocast.netCARROL ASSISTANTLarry Jean2 Gov. Wentworth HighwayMirror Lake, NH 03853569-0041LJEAN5037@AOL.COMCHESHIRE DIRECTORBob Doherty757 Old New Ipswich RoadRindge, NH 03461899-9878 doherty5757@directv.net CHESHIRE ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~COOS DIRECTORJohn Letson437 Dalton RoadDalton, NH 03598837-8890jtprod@localnet.comCOOS ASSISTANTDick Baribeau20 Britt RoadPittsburg, NH 03592538-7474rbaribeau@hughes.net GRAFTON DIRECTORMarie Hixson1332 Winona RoadNew Hampton, NH 03256968-9038doo-n@metrocast.net GRAFTON ASSISTANTEvelyn Ferrell1059 Route 118Dorchester, NH 03266603-786-2770 eferrell@roadrunner.comCONTRIBUTOR / DEALER DIRECTOR~ Vacant ~ HILLSBORO DIRECTORCliff RussellPO Box 163Greenfield, NH 03047547-2722russells99@myfairpoint.net HILLSBORO ASSISTANTBruce Caron62 Blueberry Hill RoadDeering, NH 03244464-5473 lcaron@mcttelecom.comMERRIMACK DIRECTORBeth Horvath-PalmerPO Box 249N. Sutton, NH 03260 927-6364stoneycreekfarm@tds.net MERRIMACK ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~ ROCKINGHAM DIRECTOR~ Vacant ~ ROCKINGHAM ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~ STRAFFORD DIRECTORJoe Gorman, Sr.28 Finethy RoadAlton, NH 03809875-2173gorman3@worldpath.netSTRAFFORD ASSISTANT~Vacant~SULLIVAN DIRECTORRoger Wright630 Red Water Brook RoadClaremont, NH 03743543-3669rogr.wright@comcast.netSULLIVAN ASSISTANTMark Giglio611 Unity RoadNewport, NH 03773831-3918mwgservices@yahoo.com Edited July 4, 2010 by PHAZERMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BAC1954 1 Report post Posted July 4, 2010 How about volunteering for one of the position Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RK-SXViper 144 Report post Posted July 4, 2010 I think thats a great idea! Lets see, whats Daves phone#, oops thats not going to work, maybe Gary, oh yeah he's already out, who was director before Gary, thats Dave again!! Houston, we have a problem, this could take awhile!!Cool idea Rob Let's see - I live in Rockingham County, so my director is .....Oh CRAP !!!I was thinking more on the lines of the other countys calling their county directors. It was the directors from all the other counties that voted Dave out, and I'm not sure they all voted the wishes of the people they represent. In fact since the vote was made right then and there, there was no way the directors could hold county meetings and ASK which way they should vote. As far as members of Rockingham county go I'm just as lost, do I call the NHSA office or will that just fall on deaf ears? As far as I'm concerned I already voted and Dave IS my county director! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RK-SXViper 144 Report post Posted July 4, 2010 How about volunteering for one of the positionI couldn't agree more!BELKNAP DIRECTOR ~ Vacant ~ BELKNAP ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~ CHESHIRE ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~MERRIMACK ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~ ROCKINGHAM DIRECTOR~ Vacant ~ (Already voted in with technical dificulties)ROCKINGHAM ASSISTANT~ Vacant ~ STRAFFORD ASSISTANT~Vacant~Five counties are missing assistants, looks like there are some good positions to volunteer for. County directors I believe all need to be voted in, so people might consider going to their county meetings and offer their name for the next vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sledaholic 45 Report post Posted July 5, 2010 (edited) How about volunteering for one of the positionSorry I missed all the action, being out of town and all. I do like the newbie voices coming in on this hot topic. I can say I told you so on the lack of response from our fearless NHSA leaders. This has now "snowballed" into a shit storm. I for one can't wait for the next meeting. Dave, I appreciate your willingness to speak your peace and not hide behind the curtain. You are our voted in director and as a memeber of NHSA I would like a legal answer from NHSA as to why they took the action they did. Edited July 5, 2010 by sledaholic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
