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Big groomers, small trails

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Seems to be a common problem: How to fit a large groomer through a small opening. There are still a lot of local trails that pass through small tunnels under roads. Sleds can make it, but big groomers can't.

https://www.unionleader.com/voices/city_matters/city-matters-snowmobile-trail-issue-requires-6-million-fix/article_c9334bad-4fbe-5dde-a06e-e2e0888f4ca5.html?block_id=1120512

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There are quite a few tunnels like that, even up north. By halfway through the season, it gets pretty bumpy inside. 

 

Would it make any sense to leave a small, simple drag close by that could be pulled through with a sled to smooth it out, and have the big groomer cross the road above? I'm sure crossing the road won't work in all cases depending on how busy the road is, and things like guard rails, but it should be viable in some situations?

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I suspect that the clubs have already resolved the "quick fix" problems. Big groomers seem to be the direction the clubs are going, probably because they can do trails faster, and big groomers need big room.

People are talking about funding infrastructure now, and the trail system is our infrastructure. Anybody see a pile of money laying around?

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2 hours ago, PolarisCobra said:

There are quite a few tunnels like that, even up north. By halfway through the season, it gets pretty bumpy inside. 

 

Would it make any sense to leave a small, simple drag close by that could be pulled through with a sled to smooth it out, and have the big groomer cross the road above? I'm sure crossing the road won't work in all cased depending on how busy the road is, and things like guard rails, but it should be viable in some situations?

Definitely wouldn't work in this case as the groomer would have to cross the highway :)

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As much as I want to see trails open, and to make it as easy as possible for the volunteers who do the work, it seems like $6 million, and detours for a period of time is a lot to ask, considering the number of weeks those trails are typically open. 

Would be way cheaper in this case to buy another groomer for the other side of the tunnel, and give it to the club. 

 

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ICG    6

Any chance there is some money in Joe's bill for us ???

It would seem logical to do infrastructure improvements.  before they do major paving improvements.

My company has erected a galvanized Arch pipe for a stream crossing.  . . .Labor, wasn't crazy, but the materials were expensive.

$$$$ Six Million dollars is nuts for a galvanized arch pipe ....

From a snowmobile club project ....To a prevailing PUBLIC WORKS Project.  NO

Anyone remember Dave's bridge.....He built a bridge up in the air for soft money..

No comparing a real bridge, to a BOLT together Arch, that gets buried with dirt.

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NRTP may be in the bill.

But mostly it is that fact that people either have no clue how that works, or are willfully trying to put one over on the community-at-large.

Any trail that has the non-motorized users has the ability to dip into the extra 40% of mixed use (motorized/non-motorized), so in essence those non-motorized users are having some of the money allocated to them expended.

Also the fallacy of what is happening over time in the return to State tourism. It has gone from $1.1 Billion in 2003 to less than $600 Million now... and the $1.1 Billion is not inflation-adjusted. 

 

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