Fish and Game Rep

[smallengineguy 88]

Just wanted to say it's nice to have Dennis from F&G as a member now. It'll help to quell the rumors and he said/she said when it comes to some of the issues within our state. Welcome!

[jhwentworth 307]

Just now, smallengineguy said:

Just wanted to say it's nice to have Dennis from F&G as a member now. It'll help to quell the rumors and he said/she said when it comes to some of the issues within our state. Welcome!

Just a suggestion, but I'd rely more on the RSA's and Administrative Rules than what an employee of an agency might suggest. Just read the RSA and the rules, they are nor rumors. F&G's position is that Vermont and Maine lied to them, and that sounds like  he said/she said. Our RSA allows Maine and Vermont to control the date  of our free ride weekend, or eliminate it.

 

[John Mercier 36]

17 hours ago, jhwentworth said:

Just a suggestion, but I'd rely more on the RSA's and Administrative Rules than what an employee of an agency might suggest. Just read the RSA and the rules, they are nor rumors. F&G's position is that Vermont and Maine lied to them, and that sounds like  he said/she said. Our RSA allows Maine and Vermont to control the date  of our free ride weekend, or eliminate it.

 

All Dennis mentioned was that it could be done through the current process without a legislative change. The RSA allows the Executive Director to determine what is the ''extent of the privilege'' of reciprocity. 

Legislatively, you are going to get into the finance questions... and that does not bode well for the desired outcome.

[jhwentworth 307]

1 hour ago, John Mercier said:

All Dennis mentioned was that it could be done through the current process without a legislative change. The RSA allows the Executive Director to determine what is the ''extent of the privilege'' of reciprocity. 

JANUARY 7, 2019 BY CAPTAIN DAVID WALSH
"New Hampshire’s law (RSA 215-C:47) requires that in order for Vermont or Maine registered snowmobiles to operate in NH with their respective registrations, NH-registered snowmobiles must be allowed to operate in those states during the same time period. NH must put into its Administrative Rules the exact weekend, which all three states agreed would be the last weekend in January. Once in Rule, it cannot be changed without going through a lengthy legislative process."

Now, I think I've beaten this dead horse quite enough. And I believe that the Ride Free weekend is equally dead until the legislature changes the law.

Sorry to have chewed up so much bandwidth.

[John Mercier 36]

The lengthy legislative process being discussed by the Captain is the rule making process that Dennis pointed out.

The process is already law.

Much different than actually asking the Legislature to change the law.

When we ask for a rules change through the prescribed legislative process... it takes time. 

When we ask for a law change... it not only takes time... it is required to have a financial impact statement at the bottom of the bill.

When a legislator reads a statement like ''May impact revenue/expenditures by an unknown sum''; they start asking the questions. Usually those questions get asked again, for each committee that it flows through and both sides of the Statehouse. 

Dennis pointed out the easy route.

 

 

[John Mercier 36]

If your wondering... I used the Administrative Rules route to get a repeal of the reciprocity with VT understanding. 

 

[detchells 10]

JANUARY 7, 2019 BY CAPTAIN DAVID WALSH
"New Hampshire’s law (RSA 215-C:47) requires that in order for Vermont or Maine registered snowmobiles to operate in NH with their respective registrations, NH-registered snowmobiles must be allowed to operate in those states during the same time period. NH must put into its Administrative Rules the exact weekend, which all three states agreed would be the last weekend in January. Once in Rule, it cannot be changed without going through a lengthy legislative process."

Now, I think I've beaten this dead horse quite enough. And I believe that the Ride Free weekend is equally dead until the legislature changes the law.

Sorry to have chewed up so much bandwidth.

 

If you look at the last line in 215-C: 47, I-a it give the Executive Director to adopt rules under RSA 541-A which would be the administrative rules. Yes the RSA allows for it but it has to go through JLCAR he cannot just say this is the weekend.

Here is the text for 215-C:47

    215-C:47 Reciprocity. –
I. A snowmobile which is registered in Vermont, Maine, or Quebec shall be deemed to be properly registered for the purposes of this chapter if it is registered in accordance with the laws of the state or province in which it is registered, but only to the extent that a reciprocal exemption or privilege is granted under the laws of that state or province for snowmobiles registered in this state. For the purpose of this section, the executive director shall determine the extent of the privilege of operation granted by Vermont, Maine, and Quebec and, when necessary, adopt rules and charge fees to achieve a true reciprocity. The executive director's determination shall be final.
I-a. The executive director may, upon agreement with the state of Vermont or Maine, or both, adopt a regional snowmobile registration endorsement agreement to allow reciprocal snowmobile riding privileges in participating states. The procedures and fees for such registration endorsement shall be established by agreement of the participating states, and the fees proposed in such agreement shall be approved by the fiscal committee of the general court. The executive director may adopt rules, pursuant to RSA 541-A, relative to procedures for the administration and enforcement of the regional endorsement agreement, the collection and use of funds generated by endorsement agreement fees, and periodic audits of endorsement agreement fees.
II. In order to operate any snowmobile granted reciprocity under paragraph I, such vehicle shall meet all equipment requirements and sound level decibel limitations which are mandated by RSA 215-C for snowmobiles registered in New Hampshire.

[John Mercier 36]

It think the problem Dennis is that most riders have never attended any public meetings under the JLCAR system; so they don't realize that while it has a process that is already in statute (as you've shown above), that it is a process and not just a declaration by the ED.... so it can't be done at the last minute.

[detchells 10]

John I agree with you. All someone has to do is ask and I will be more than happy to help on any issue. There are many steps involved to get to an end product.