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Posts posted by PolarisCobra

  1. Sorry if I mis-interpreted some of your posts over the past months. My impression is that you want to be able to do some off trail riding (led me to the assumption that you already do some, maybe I was incorrect about that), think that the speed limit is too low (others agree, but don't seem to see a clear path to changing it), and that the registration increase will drive many riders to other states, notably Maine. 

    This is because of lower registration and housing costs, lack of speed limits, and off trail opportunities in Maine. 

    I will be the first to say that I don't understand all the ins and outs of the things that go into changing any of this. From where I live in Mass, it's difficult to get more involved, although I do understand that isn't a great excuse. For me, given that I cannot get more involved in the inner workings of things, I'm willing to accept what is available. 

    I do understand that Maine is fundamentally different than NH. Much more space, the land is more open, much more of it is logging or farms, or just forest when there is no snow on the ground. Therefore, winter use permissions are different. There are probably other laws that are different that I know I don't fully understand. The laws, customs and rules have evolved differently for a number of reasons, and I don't think its likely that they will converge any time soon. 

    I think that part of the housing price difference has to do with lower economic opportunists in Maine, I have relatives there who struggle to find work. Some towns are really struggling there compared to years past for sure. That issue exists in NH as well, but I believe to a lesser extent. When there is no work, housing prices are lower (I think you can buy an abandoned house in the area around Detroit for nearly nothing these days.) Not a big problem if you are buying a vacation home, and don't plan to work there. But - homes out of the towns, with trail access and more space tend to be somewhat more expensive, if they have comparable square footage and amenities.


    Bottom line, if there is no concerted effort in NH, by people who want to do some off trail riding, to open up some areas, nothing will change. The people and clubs maintaining trails today don't seem to have much incentive to do the work to create off trail areas, and when people go off trail, causing trouble between the landowners and club, you can't really blame them for being frustrated with people going off trail, and getting land closed off. 

    As for speed limits, if no one steps up with a strong argument and lobbies the NHSA, BOT, and whoever else in in the decision paths to get support for changing the rules, they are not going to change.

    I keep reading that younger people generally are not getting involved with clubs. (Not meaning you specifically, I clearly don't know what your involvement is.) Maybe its a generational thing, maybe they don't feel welcome, there are probably lots of reasons. What I am pretty sure of is that people posting on Facebook (or wherever) (again, not pointing at you specifically) that they will ride where they want, don't care about the rules, and have no intention of getting involved isn't going to help get anything changed.  

  2. 13 hours ago, WideOpenOrNothin said:

    What a great point I just thought of. You can’t even get into the grass drags without standing in a mile long line. IT IS INSANE and if you go you know how true that is. 

    snowmobiling is no longer Just about going weeeeee down the trail at a snails pace(37mph). It’s a fast moving sport, it’s become an extreme sport with the capabilities of our machines and cool stuff we can do. HELLO DOUBLE BACKFLIP ON SLED- come on. 

    But River Cat and everyone else who has built the sport up in NH can’t see the writing on the wall. 

    while you’re going to bed after riding. The younger generation- is working their bodies and sleds our in the deep stuff 10 Times harder than you on the trail. Really putting in work/fun and then they’re going to the local spot and having a great  night. Work hard- play hard, that’s what’s happening, but sure isn’t in NH. 

    Its probably a good thing that the sport is dying... Otherwise you would need to wait in line without standing in a line two miles long. ;)

    I don't think the sport is in as tough shape as you think it is. I do agree there are challenges. 

    There are many reasons why off trail works better in Maine than in NH, space is one, landowners are another, evolution of regulations in each state play a part. 

    I like riding in NH for the infrastructure, relative closeness of things, and I think better views/vistas compared to the places I have ridden in Maine. I have ridden in the Forks area, and Millinocket areas on Maine for reference.I like the tighter, twisty trails in NH more for the most part, I am not a fan of running at 60 plus MPH for long distances. I often ride two-up with my wife, that makes a difference for me for sure. My sled has rarely (not never) gone faster than 55, but I know it can do 90. :ph34r:

    We each have different desires for our riding style, and it may not be reasonable to expect that all styles can be accommodated in a given area. 

    The houses you posted are surely affordable. But - I am not sure that those examples have direct trail access (this would be a deal breaker for me), or enough space to park multiple trucks and trailers. If those areas were really desirable, my guess is that the properties would be more expensive. They are offered at the price they are because no one will pay more for them. 

    $50 per sled per yea would not entice me to drive, an extra 75+ miles each way every weekend to get to a vacation home, that's just bad economics. A lower price for a home may make that a better move. 

    Either way, you have woken this place up, and generated some lively discussion - thanks for that. I hope you find a place that suits your needs, wherever it may be. :drinks:


  3. I live in Mass, and have ridden in both NH and Maine. I'm OK with the speed limit (not that I have never gone faster for a bit). On most trails, 45 is plenty. Sure, a few could support faster speeds, but I fully understand (and respect) the issues with landowners, and think it would be a challenge for clubs to be putting up speed limit signs in selected areas above everything else the volunteers need to do. 

    I prefer NH, for me. Mostly riding with family, nearly half of it 2-up, we look for 60 - 80- mile days, sometimes around 100 miles. Want to be able to ride from a hotel to some destination for lunch, then work our way back. I can save at least 50, often more than 100 miles each way in the truck getting to good riding in NH compared to Maine (for me). The cost of fuel and time is more than offset by a few extra dollars to register. 

    I could see a number of people riding Maine for off trail (not much we can do about that, and I would rather they be in Maine, so as not to screw things up in NH), and some for the ability go go fast. Seems to me, if you really want to go that fast, do it there, I'm better off in NH. 


    We are each entitled to ride the way we like, withing the regulations (to protect the trails for all), and if you feel you need to ride in Maine to accomplish that, then that's where you should ride. 


    I think John M's point about the speed limits on roads not being much different is a good one, I had not really thought about it that way. 



  4. Too bad, but I think it will be the way for lots of magazines. 


    American Snowmobiler Magazine Ceases Publication

    By AmSnow staff | September 15, 2019
    American Snowmobiler magazine logo
    After 34 years, American Snowmobiler magazine is ceasing publication following the November 2019 issue. It has been our pleasure to serve you and provide you the most up-to-date snowmobiling information, honest sled reviews and our three exclusive shootout reports. We thank you for your loyalty and support.

    We will continue to update our popular website through the end of 2019.

    Further information about subscription fulfillment will be coming soon. For now, if you have questions or concerns, please contact our Customer Service team at 877-246-4889 or email them at customerservice@americansnowmobiler.info

    Again, thank you for your support. It has been a great ride!

  5. It's amazing to me to see how much of that stuff is out there. 


    BTW - I was at Livingstons Arctic Cat a while back. I know there are a bit of a distance from you (not as far as the midwest), but they have a 'boneyard' behind their shop, with dozens of older sleds. Not sure if you are aware, but if you need something, they may have it. I have no idea what they would be willing to part with, but it was interesting to walk around that stuff to see what was there. 

  6. That seems to clear the whole 'I can modify my sled as long as it meets the sound requirements' problem better than a flat out 'must have factory exhaust'. Problem is, I don't think any of the aftermarket companies get their parts certified. If they go to the expense of doing that now, riders may have the option of a lighter exhaust system that is legal. Seems like a good thing to me. 


    Note - I will be leaving my factory system on either way...