John Mercier

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    John Mercier got a reaction from jhwentworth in Snowmobiling driving NH Economy in Northern NH   
    It is an interesting opinion piece... but shows off a major problem.
    Tourism is about $6 billion of an $80 billion State economy... so not really the driving force. 
    The estimate is that Coos County accounts for roughly 3% of that $6 billion in tourism (based on M&R revenue).
    So it means that northern NH's economy is really quite bad.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from jhwentworth in Snowmobiling driving NH Economy in Northern NH   
    It is an interesting opinion piece... but shows off a major problem.
    Tourism is about $6 billion of an $80 billion State economy... so not really the driving force. 
    The estimate is that Coos County accounts for roughly 3% of that $6 billion in tourism (based on M&R revenue).
    So it means that northern NH's economy is really quite bad.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from WideOpenOrNothin in Off Trail Idiots get another trail closed   
    That is probably the off road community. For years, whenever something has happened negatively on a trail system... it has always been vocalized to be the younger set, non-local riders, etc. I generally find that they are middle aged, live nearby, and just not thinking they will get caught.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from jhwentworth in ATVs on public roads issues   
    I was more focused on the town hiring someone to basically act as a trail administrator. I don't think that I have ever seen that approach before.
     
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from snorander in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    So you want landowner permission, but you don't want to do the work?
    The NHSA isn't going to do the work for you. You have to locate landowners willing to either provide you with written permission to trespass, or provide an organized club with permission for the public to trespass. 
    I'm not trying to tell you that they are out there... but my experience tells me that they exist. How large a lot and the quality of terrain that they provide may be an issue... but maybe not. 
    In the end, the loss of any recreational format is largely due to the cost being beyond discretionary household income; and society quickly moves toward pay-to-play.
    At 35, you may not be able to see the future financial you, while those of us in our 50s... we see more than we would like. 
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from rivercat in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    Then you are not paying attention to what is being stated. I had a lot of people in their early 20s on sleds... but they are now suffering the result of financial planning. It is very sad to find a 50-60 year old with retirement savings that will not suffice their retirement... to watch them sell the things they loved... and know that even after it is all gone, there will not be enough.
    The numbers in the first post are nationwide. US registrations... not new or used sled sales... have fallen approximately 450,000. Canadian registrations... not new or used sled sales, but actual users... have fallen approximately 165,000. The average age of snowmobile owners has gone up 2 years... even with all those inexpensive used sled available to the younger generation. And the amount spend snowmobiling per capita has gone down from an estimated $4000 annually to $2000 annually. 
    Sales... new or used... is not the issue. Registrations falling, registrants being older, and what each registrant is spending annually... those are the issues.
    Landowners that can no longer afford to hold large parcels... they need the money for retirement... that is an issue.
    How did that happen? When they were young they didn't care about gross income. Now they are old... they are selling things to live off what income they can muster.
    Since the median according to the stats is 45 years old... it probably weighs on them more than it does a 20 year old.
    Polaris and Bombardier realized in their study that the days of the garage full of toys would result in the days of focus on one toy. What will that ''toy'' be in the end? I think it will vary... but it means the community of support will be lower.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from rivercat in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    Then you are not paying attention to what is being stated. I had a lot of people in their early 20s on sleds... but they are now suffering the result of financial planning. It is very sad to find a 50-60 year old with retirement savings that will not suffice their retirement... to watch them sell the things they loved... and know that even after it is all gone, there will not be enough.
    The numbers in the first post are nationwide. US registrations... not new or used sled sales... have fallen approximately 450,000. Canadian registrations... not new or used sled sales, but actual users... have fallen approximately 165,000. The average age of snowmobile owners has gone up 2 years... even with all those inexpensive used sled available to the younger generation. And the amount spend snowmobiling per capita has gone down from an estimated $4000 annually to $2000 annually. 
    Sales... new or used... is not the issue. Registrations falling, registrants being older, and what each registrant is spending annually... those are the issues.
    Landowners that can no longer afford to hold large parcels... they need the money for retirement... that is an issue.
    How did that happen? When they were young they didn't care about gross income. Now they are old... they are selling things to live off what income they can muster.
    Since the median according to the stats is 45 years old... it probably weighs on them more than it does a 20 year old.
    Polaris and Bombardier realized in their study that the days of the garage full of toys would result in the days of focus on one toy. What will that ''toy'' be in the end? I think it will vary... but it means the community of support will be lower.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from rivercat in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    Then you are not paying attention to what is being stated. I had a lot of people in their early 20s on sleds... but they are now suffering the result of financial planning. It is very sad to find a 50-60 year old with retirement savings that will not suffice their retirement... to watch them sell the things they loved... and know that even after it is all gone, there will not be enough.
    The numbers in the first post are nationwide. US registrations... not new or used sled sales... have fallen approximately 450,000. Canadian registrations... not new or used sled sales, but actual users... have fallen approximately 165,000. The average age of snowmobile owners has gone up 2 years... even with all those inexpensive used sled available to the younger generation. And the amount spend snowmobiling per capita has gone down from an estimated $4000 annually to $2000 annually. 
    Sales... new or used... is not the issue. Registrations falling, registrants being older, and what each registrant is spending annually... those are the issues.
    Landowners that can no longer afford to hold large parcels... they need the money for retirement... that is an issue.
    How did that happen? When they were young they didn't care about gross income. Now they are old... they are selling things to live off what income they can muster.
    Since the median according to the stats is 45 years old... it probably weighs on them more than it does a 20 year old.
    Polaris and Bombardier realized in their study that the days of the garage full of toys would result in the days of focus on one toy. What will that ''toy'' be in the end? I think it will vary... but it means the community of support will be lower.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Skip in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    For active club members, it is pretty common... though I have to admit I have found several officers that did not know the information was public. 
    I think the decline in snowmobile registrations is due to the Polaris/Bombardier Marketing Study done in 1995, and released to the public at the ISC in 1998.
    They determined that discretionary income was not growing in traditional snowmobile regions and would over the next twenty years result in declines. They further determined that much of what was being considered as discretionary income was in actuality income that was being diverted from other long term goals... retirement being the one delivered at that time. The Study felt that going forward... the aging snowmobile community... would hit the pre-retirement age and shake out. 
    As for speed and off-trail riding... I think you fail repeatedly to recognize that landowners determine much of that. So a bigger issue would be the loss of land access. The concessions would need to be by landowners open to the concept. Those landowners are the powers. Some will be against, some will be open... or at least I think some will be open... since other formats of usage that have been told for a very long time that they would not get landowner support, when they asked landowners found they could.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Skip in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    For active club members, it is pretty common... though I have to admit I have found several officers that did not know the information was public. 
    I think the decline in snowmobile registrations is due to the Polaris/Bombardier Marketing Study done in 1995, and released to the public at the ISC in 1998.
    They determined that discretionary income was not growing in traditional snowmobile regions and would over the next twenty years result in declines. They further determined that much of what was being considered as discretionary income was in actuality income that was being diverted from other long term goals... retirement being the one delivered at that time. The Study felt that going forward... the aging snowmobile community... would hit the pre-retirement age and shake out. 
    As for speed and off-trail riding... I think you fail repeatedly to recognize that landowners determine much of that. So a bigger issue would be the loss of land access. The concessions would need to be by landowners open to the concept. Those landowners are the powers. Some will be against, some will be open... or at least I think some will be open... since other formats of usage that have been told for a very long time that they would not get landowner support, when they asked landowners found they could.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from jhwentworth in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    The landowners have much more say than the ''clubs''... I think sometimes people forget that.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Yamiblue in Some good news   
    How many of us would be around in the next century to care?
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from nhgator in trail gone   
    It is already on Facebook. They are focused on arguing whether the sleds were long tracks or not. And focusing on the belief that they can ride off trail without landowner written permission as long as they do it in the ''woods''. 
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Skip in Letter from respected Past County Director   
    The GSSA was the earliest version of the NHSA. The NHSA name needed to be purchased from a local club; I think they ended up being willing to change their name without a battle.
    Skip,
     I think the problem is that many are not willing to accept the trend line...
    All the associations are trying to fight it off... but in the end, it will get us.
    NH has a terrible collective FiSt score, and most of our members come from NH.
    New England has a terrible FiSt score, and the remainder of our members almost exclusively come from New England.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from nhgator in Vermont contributes a lot   
    VAST, through the TMA system, already has direct access to assure that each machine on the trail is a member of the Association. 
    I think you will find that people that are leaving snowmobiling have many reasons, cost for such a short season is surely one. But I can not think of any means for any group of humans to ensure that enough snow will fall in all sections of NH for a long enough season, to alter that value judgement.
    Others, most of whom already have to trailer to reach sufficient snow, are choosing Maine... the distant being about equal and the overall cost of registration, lodging, etc. being what they judge to be a better value.
    Now, if you are suggesting that a State Association may be able to operate in less costly manner... that would be accurate.
     
     
     
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Penelope in Formal Complaint Filed Against the NHSA   
    The problem is that the State can not regulate the affiliation of the Association; so the Association could break affiliation with any other corporate entity that it wants. The club would no longer be affiliated; and its members would not longer be legally entitled to the discount.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Freedom Rider in Formal Complaint Filed Against the NHSA   
    They might just reply that it is an ongoing legal investigation.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from BAC1954 in Formal Complaint Filed Against the NHSA   
    I hate to inform you John, but they can. Try buying a John Deere at any Home Depot or Tractor Supply... John Deere sets the price and the ''distributors'' either abide by that price or lose the option to participate. Try buying a FesTool at any supplier that you can find... FesTool sets the prices, and the ''distributors'' either abide by that price or lose the option to participate. 
    The clubs that will use the NHSA electronic system will need to agree to abide by whatever the NHSA establishes as the rules to using that system, or lose the option to participate.
    As for the ''trade in'' analogy... to my knowledge.., the NHSA did not state that a club could not return some of its membership money to the members. 
    But the really Big Problem that clubs are complaining about is the new system would market those clubs on it better than clubs that do not use it. No more ''captured'' clientele for the clubs. So in theory, more money would go to the clubs with the best trails and best snow.
     
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from WINNOCTURN in OHRV registrations   
    We send a member list and $10 per member. It is pretty standard.
    The hardest part this season has been getting the dates between club membership and NHOHVA membership to align to make it easier to keep up-to-date.
    The AP article is more about F&G positioning themselves to seek a rate increase. 
    Most OHRV registrations come from the same zip codes as snowmobile registrations. So if they live out-of-State, and do not have a camp in northern NH, they are more likely to go to Maine - and possibly buy a cheaper camp with lower property taxes there. This happens, more and more, as prices rise in NH as compared to Maine.
    I have personally expressed that it will begin to have a further effect on the roughly 80% of registrants that are residents; as many of these are from the more populated areas of southern NH and trailer to ride. Once the vehicle is on the trailer, it really doesn't matter whether you travel 100 miles in one direction or another.
    So with the extra $20 for membership that most will see next year, and any increases approved for F&G/BoT, I would guess that the numbers will either stagnate or fall.
    Of course it could backfire on F&G, as quite a bit of support for keeping the Department rather than moving its ''missions'' to other agencies, came from OHRVs. We could see that change to direct financing of local police departments with support from State police in the Department of Safety.
     
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from WINNOCTURN in Snowmobile Registration 2016-2017 (moved from NHSA Meeting Post)   
    I've made it clear that I'm currently not an owner of a snowmobile and no longer riding due to injury.
    I have also made it clear that I am the current President of the NDATV club, and past Association (NHOHVA) President.
    No, I will not be attending the alternative insurance meeting... because NHOHVA clubs already have the other insurance option. NHOHVA being the Association that did the work to find the option.
    I have also made it clear that the ''alternative insurance'' is more expensive than the current insurance used by my club.
    Viper... I haven't quoted the verbiage because it is irrelevant to the discussion. To be affiliated with any private organization, any other entity must meet the internal requirements of that affiliation. They can not be set by external law. Thus the NH Statute requires that the club be affiliated, but does not set the requirements for affiliation... that would be whatever the bylaws of the NHSA states. Those bylaws being amendable under processes found within their scope.
    NHOHVA is quickly going through the same thing. And although some disagreement is arising... it is clear that NHOHVA intends to learn form NHSA pioneering into the arena. Whether that is to set a 100% membership inclusion for affiliation, to set the affiliation costs at a per member rate for the clubs, or to use the current two path system of the NHSA but with a much higher club only affiliation rate. The purpose being to not go through the same arguments that created the discount process in the first place... complaints that some where not paying the full cost. We were very aware that some had forgone club membership to save the money over riders that had membership... the Association(s) are very aware that some clubs are using the system to allow other clubs to cover more of the costs - cost shifting being an ongoing affair.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from WINNOCTURN in IT Works, NHSA ONLINE MEMBERSHIP WEBSITE!   
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Skip in Early Bird Discount   
    Sorry Skip. I should have been more clear. I am beginning to think that there were other problems that the AG was used as an excuse for. Hope that clears it up.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Skip in Early Bird Discount   
    I would be seriously questioning whether it was stalled by the AG's office.
    There are pretty simple fixes to the ''problems'' that they mentioned.
    But a change in Tilton, even if it implemented the proposed idea, would not fix the ''problem'' of club financing.
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    John Mercier got a reaction from Skip in Saving Our Sport "SOS"   
    1998 was a study. The manufacturers do consumer studies to determine their future course of action. The 1998 study was to predict the future sales of snowmobiles between 2000 and 2020. At the time of the study, US sales were over 250k and looked if as they would go on forever.
     
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    John Mercier got a reaction from snorander in Saving Our Sport "SOS"   
    I think that it is easy... just no competition, so no desire. It is the competition for the boating registrant money that creates the mailing.
    We used to do it years ago, but it didn't result in anything that made economic sense.
    For boats it only makes economic sense because they lose money to the municipalities.