WideOpenOrNothin

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    WideOpenOrNothin got a reaction from rossi46 in Official 2019 riding pic thread   
    Quick 35 miles after school through PMSC. Home in time for dinner. 



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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to CATRESERVE in Official 2019 riding pic thread   
    Great pictures from everyone...Got a chance to get out yesterday Wednesday.  Rode from camp in Groton, Warren, Lincoln, and back to camp  thru Central NH trails.  Was good except for 156 on the Lincoln maintained section which was rough.  11 south was also fine toward Campton.  Took as few side trails which are always less traveled and fun!  Still got snow but southern slopes show some thinning.  Same every year...elevation is key!



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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to John Mercier in Off Trail Idiots get another trail closed   
    That is probably the off road community. For years, whenever something has happened negatively on a trail system... it has always been vocalized to be the younger set, non-local riders, etc. I generally find that they are middle aged, live nearby, and just not thinking they will get caught.
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    WideOpenOrNothin got a reaction from rossi46 in Official 2019 riding pic thread   
    Monday 50 miles in 2 hours. From Spaulding- up 11. through PMSC across EVSC down 16, back and loaded up! Great conditions this time of year, fast with plenty of Lube




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    WideOpenOrNothin got a reaction from PolarisCobra in Official 2019 riding pic thread   
    My son and his best bro
    then the 2 boy along side their old men. Doesnt get any better than that 


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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to John Mercier in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    Then you are not paying attention to what is being stated. I had a lot of people in their early 20s on sleds... but they are now suffering the result of financial planning. It is very sad to find a 50-60 year old with retirement savings that will not suffice their retirement... to watch them sell the things they loved... and know that even after it is all gone, there will not be enough.
    The numbers in the first post are nationwide. US registrations... not new or used sled sales... have fallen approximately 450,000. Canadian registrations... not new or used sled sales, but actual users... have fallen approximately 165,000. The average age of snowmobile owners has gone up 2 years... even with all those inexpensive used sled available to the younger generation. And the amount spend snowmobiling per capita has gone down from an estimated $4000 annually to $2000 annually. 
    Sales... new or used... is not the issue. Registrations falling, registrants being older, and what each registrant is spending annually... those are the issues.
    Landowners that can no longer afford to hold large parcels... they need the money for retirement... that is an issue.
    How did that happen? When they were young they didn't care about gross income. Now they are old... they are selling things to live off what income they can muster.
    Since the median according to the stats is 45 years old... it probably weighs on them more than it does a 20 year old.
    Polaris and Bombardier realized in their study that the days of the garage full of toys would result in the days of focus on one toy. What will that ''toy'' be in the end? I think it will vary... but it means the community of support will be lower.
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to smallengineguy in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    Wish it was that easy...Obviously, you (like me) haven't been a 20 something with a 800+cc mountain sled and a ton of fun-looking terrain in a while. Respect is taught, and it it ain't taught, it ain't learned! I think the idea of a MANDATORY OHRV course, where the off trail rules are taught, will help more than any other idea out there right now.
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to John Mercier in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    For active club members, it is pretty common... though I have to admit I have found several officers that did not know the information was public. 
    I think the decline in snowmobile registrations is due to the Polaris/Bombardier Marketing Study done in 1995, and released to the public at the ISC in 1998.
    They determined that discretionary income was not growing in traditional snowmobile regions and would over the next twenty years result in declines. They further determined that much of what was being considered as discretionary income was in actuality income that was being diverted from other long term goals... retirement being the one delivered at that time. The Study felt that going forward... the aging snowmobile community... would hit the pre-retirement age and shake out. 
    As for speed and off-trail riding... I think you fail repeatedly to recognize that landowners determine much of that. So a bigger issue would be the loss of land access. The concessions would need to be by landowners open to the concept. Those landowners are the powers. Some will be against, some will be open... or at least I think some will be open... since other formats of usage that have been told for a very long time that they would not get landowner support, when they asked landowners found they could.
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    WideOpenOrNothin got a reaction from smallengineguy in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    I took SmallEngines comment to you as;
    the manufacturers bear responsibility for disregarding for rules of the sport they promote, they did so by. Instead of educational/proper promotion. They promoted mountain sleds like everywhere in America is the Mid West. 
    As stewarts of the sport they took advantage of a money maker instead of what’s good in the long term 
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to JBG in Official 2019 riding pic thread   
    DEEEEP Powder on Aziscohos lake Wednesday the day before the big rain. 



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    WideOpenOrNothin got a reaction from PolarisCobra in Official 2019 riding pic thread   
    My son and his best bro
    then the 2 boy along side their old men. Doesnt get any better than that 


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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to gunmaker in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    It still comes down to respect. No matter what you ride, you RESPECT the land owner, see above picture. It doesn't matter what the dealer pushes, you RESPECT the land owner, and if you only ride trails, you RESPECT the other riders. Plain and simple
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to snorander in Anyone using a vintage plate?   
    How/where did you mount it? I certainly don’t want to drill any holes in the hood. I’m thinking I’ll drill the snow flap and use some stainless steel hardware to mount it there.

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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to smallengineguy in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    I'm pretty sure when you go to a dealer and buy a mountain sled, the dealer isn't going to have a class on proper riding and landowner respect. They're going to take the money and hand over the sled, SO actually it DOES matter what the manufacturers push. Posters on the dealer walls of sleds side hilling and high marking. That's what you're SUPPOSED to do with the sled, so let's do it. If you're a 20 something making your first sled purchase, all you care about is the fun, not the consequence.
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to Hardy in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    On Monday at 6pm wch6(Maine channel)  Bill Green will be doing a special on off trail snowmobiling in Maine.   It’s here.... 
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to smallengineguy in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    I've been reading every one of these posts, and there are some very valid points. I've been riding all my life, (started at 5, 48 now), consider myself a sport rider and I see how the sport has outpriced many of my friends who used to go. I have 4 sleds, and register them all every year, and with the recent winters, that's pricey. We have threads here on SledNH saying register early, register in November, etc. Sorry, but no way. $244 for one or two snowstorms isn't happening. Am I one problem? Maybe, but I'm also a parent and have bills to pay. Priorities. I'm also a 17 year member of my club. The youngest member I'd say is around 30. Another Problem...
    There are many things that need to be fixed to attract new riders.
    I think clubs should set the speed limits! 45 in Pittsburg is stupid, but perfectly justified in Milton with its windy trails. Change in that area would be way good.
     I also think we need to address off trail riding WAY sooner than later. That kind of riding is being pushed by the manufacturers. If you went to the grass drags this year, you probably noticed the HUGE push on mountain sleds! Those were front row at every dealer, with the trail sleds kinda in the back somewhere. Unfortunately the dealers think NH is Montana or Wyoming with miles and miles of mountainous area or wide open field to sidehill or plow through. There are very few places like that here, and I think NONE below the White Mts, so if Maine has more, so be it. We can't be like Maine, or Montana, just like we can't be like Moab when it comes to certain off road activities. We're NH and we have certain geography we must take care of, OR promote certain areas to do that type of riding in. I get WideOpenOrNothins ideas and opinions, but unfortunately the dealers products have changed the way we snowmobile here in NH way faster than we as a state has adapted, and in the long run, more and more clubs are paying the price with pissed landowners and closed trails.
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    WideOpenOrNothin got a reaction from snorander in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    I peaked in yesterday evening and started dying laughing. 
    Well done
    of course I’m a dick, I’m a New Englander
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to classicdmax in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    Hell,  Jericho recently within the last few years has cut dedicated orv trails for the sole purpose of full sized vehicles...I’ve wheeled there a handful of times. The first and only area like that in the state as far as I know. And I do believe it came with a lot of hard work from a local wheeling club Northwoods Off-road NWOR. Time and persistence finally paid off for them with the state and hopefully that paves the way for future expansion of access to state owned land 
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to classicdmax in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    I’ve read them all, it’s all been constructive conversation. But if the problem is with lack of registrations, then nhsa has to widen its eyes to the bigger picture. Not sure raising fees is the solution, but volume in registrations is. As well as the impact on local businesses with more riders.
    its like any other governing body, when budgets are falling short the easy answer (to them) is to increase taxes 
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to classicdmax in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    I think I agree with wideopenornothin, I believe NH does need to adapt. I don’t ride back country nor do I have the desire at the moment, but wouldn’t mind trying it someday.
    To lose the younger generation of riders, the future of snowmobiling to the lack of off trail riding will not help the cause at all.
    i used to be part of the 4x4/rock crawling community. For us the big issue was access to land and education. Often access wasn’t easy to attain without educating others to our sport. I’m not suggesting I’ll lead the way, but maybe folks/nhsa need to take a moment to understand and educate themselves to the needs of other riders and their desired riding style 
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to gunmaker in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    There is a very good write up in the Snow-Traveler magazine this time on page 25. There are talks going on, please read it everyone, if you want to.
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to snorander in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    It's called a joke, lighten up Francis.
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to jhwentworth in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    But is it illegal? Looking at the Maine laws it seems that posting land is the only way to prohibit snowmobile riding, much like hikers crossing private property.
    From the Bangor Daily News: Even with 14,500 miles of trails, Maine is seeing a sharp increase in off-trail riding in many areas of the state. While this activity is allowed unless it is prohibited by landowner policy, it is important to remember that being guests on someone’s property requires courtesy and common sense.
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    WideOpenOrNothin reacted to Skip in How to keep snowmobiling alive in NH   
    That's it. That's my new excuse for my temporary hiatus. Can't go 80 on the trails.
    Of course there's hundreds of bodies of water where I can stretch it out legally, and safely, if I need to scratch that itch.
    But no 80 on the trails? Damn, I'm going to Maine!
    LOL.......