WideOpenOrNothin

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  1. John I apologize

    John I’d like to apologize for becoming rude. whats Been a multi year battle with you and some others on SledNH. It’s gone from a subject, to a debate, to an argument. Now I’m starting to be a wise ass, next is insults and that wouldn’t be very Christian of me. I do stand by every argument and point I’ve made. NH snowmobiling is in dire trouble and it could very well be too late. After exhausting my argument to try to even get an acknowledgment, it’s no use. There’s just no way it’s going to happen and you have officially convinced me of it. I’ve watched everyone I know move into Maine and I’ve been fighting it. After this season I’ll be making the switch. Another family will be going with us. 7 registrations each year, soon to be 8 and eventually 9- will all be heading to Maine with the rest of them. Both of our families have trail access from our homes in Strafford county, that’s the main reason we’ve been hanging on. But when we typically only have a month or two of local riding, we trailer more than we don’t. So Going passed Rochester and Milton just over into western York county won’t be an issue. We’ll be able to afford that low cost home In a couple years to make our home base and than we won’t need to trailer at all. It’s a tough pill to swallow because I’m a very proud NH boy but such is life right.. So gentleman, and ladies-if Penelope is still around. I’ve had a blast since 2012, but I’m leaving SledNH for good. I wish everyone a great season and seasons moving forward. It’s been fun, but no longer is. I hope NH and every person who has help keep NH exactly the same since your first single cylinder Citation will someday fully appreciate the damage that’s been done to the sledding population in NH. Just remember that the younger generation isn’t lazy. We work hard- real hard.We fight wars- decades long wars. We’re very proud Americans, so we don’t like to be pushed around (hence my zero fucks given). We love being part of something, that’s why the church is on the raise again. We’re having bigger families than our parents had. my grandmom had 9 children and 14 grandchildren. My parents had 3 kids and 12 grandkids. The world is fast pace and families are busier than ever so that’s what makes it hard for some to do as much for the clubs but it doesn’t mean we don’t want to. We just need to get to where are large families are old enough to. I spend 6 months a year coaching my son, sports are year round now. It takes time before we’re able to commit because we’re committed to our families. (Im in no way implying that other gens weren’t committed to their families). What I am saying is it’s a much faster world out there now and it’s harder for younger families. This is why I think clubs have trouble with younger involvement, it’s certainly not because we don’t want to. We are all successful, motivated, family oriented That’s the generation that’s been pushed out of NH that I do not apologize for, so... John, again I’m sorry for my rude comments, we wouldn’t know each other if we met on the street so to be a wise ass was out of line. Hoping to make my final year on our trails a good one, so see you out there Good luck in NH riding and God Bless
  2. Is there a tax credit for landowners who allow their land for Ohrv use? REVISION The topic I was trying to raise is: if land owners have no incentive to allow ohrv on their property than they have no problem shutting down trails. No loss no gain so just shut it down. So what incentive do they have to allow trails on their property? That’s what I meant. If a person has an incentive for something than they’d be willing to listen to rule changes to increase popularity of the sport in our state.
  3. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    You are........ and I thought you were just being a contrarian, silly me. Thank you for all your great access over the years. Allow me to apologize to you for all the young punks who must have done something of poor taste on your property or to you to allow all the great you’ve done to be consumed by the hate for what snowmobiling has become. And as the landlord king you’ve done an outstanding job to help drive snowmobiling out of NH. You stated yesterday, even the back and forth I give you- you feel is grounds to close your land. Or makes you feel like you want to. That’ll show all the millennials who aren’t even riding on my land anyways because they’re all riding in maine. close you land, keep it open- sooner or later all the old timers will be dead and nobody will care about your trail. Because they’ll all be in Maine. Ill make sure to stay away from your property- don’t worry
  4. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    I have not gone knocking on any land owners doors or called For a round table. Is facilitating it with the landowners on this platform not good enough to get a discussion going amongst the decision makers. Is there a registration combo I can purchase for say like $250 where it allows me to ride on trails and have my words get through to The NHSA and decision makers? Do the people interest matter at all or is it up to the powers at be? its up to the powers at be so the people’s interest don’t matter. if you think so 35 year old can come in and push weight around on people who have been in charge for ever. I can’t even get a non SDS response on here- what makes you think I’ll get it there?
  5. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    Ok John, wow Whatever you and the rest of NH’s snowmobiling gods are making your cool aid with has our land owners with the highest level of Snowmobile Derangement Syndrome, SDS level 6!! As the rest of the states, the country to our north, continue to move forward with the sport. Man you are really holding that line until the day it dies. And it’s dying, you ‘God Willing’ could very well outlive it. Shit even Skip will probably be around to see those registration number go to nothing. I can’t remember once ever hearing you say, “ You know what Adam(for anyone who didn’t know), you know what- the sport is not what it used to be and NH is falling behind” or “the sport has evolved into something much bigger than it ever was and we need to address that.” Nope it’s, SDS level 6, like everyday is the first time you’ve even heard to a sled going 80mph or that there’s a track longer than 137” Or Drinking your morning coffee at the local DnDs with your other SDS old timers talking about how it’s good Riddance all these trouble makers, talking about how you don’t need them. Yes John, yes- you need the people who ride off trail, you need the people who can go fast. It is beyond impressive, its just straight cool aid running through your vanes. yes John the writing is on the wall, yes John Donald Trump is Your President, yes John the sport is moving on whether you like it or not. Gotcha though, buy land Or shut up is you answer, because NH will NEVER succumb to the evils of this quosi sport I’m always talking about
  6. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    I just sold a freezer to a younger guy in his 30’s. I sold it in 12 hours on Facebook market place. he noticed my trailer and we got sled talking. He lives in Strafford county and rides around eustis and the southern portion of The County. ALL HIS FRIENDS RIDE DEEP SNOW. NONE OF THEM HAVE REGISTERED IN NH IN YEARS AND HE STATES NONE PF THEM WILL EVER AGAIN FOR THE SAME REASON IVE BEEN STATING. I mean how much more writing on the wall do you need. I felt sad and vindicated because of the ease all of this sale(This is how sleds sell like crazy to younger people-NOT CRAIGSLIST OR UNCLE HENRY’S) and then for him to say all that. NH IS FUCKED AND YOU CAN BLAME EVERY PERSON WHO OPPOSES THE TRANSFORMATION OF THIS GREAT SPORT(same as skiing-snowboarding) So you guys got me, I’m done harping on what’s wrong with NH. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF NH SLEDDING AND NEITHER DOES THE STATE. SHIT ON MY LACK OF CONTRIBUTION OF “TRAIL WORK OR FIGHTING THE FIGHT IN CONCORD” FUCKIN BLAH BLAH BLAH. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE SOME NON BUREAUCRAT TO TELL YOU SNOWMOBILE BUREAUCRATS WHY OUR STATE SUCKS FOR SLEDDING LAWS- BUT THATS HOW IT ALWAYS WORKS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE ITS OBVIOUS To EVERYONE BUT YOU GREAT FUCKING JOB GUYS- you’ve won this one but NH is the ultimate loser.
  7. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    You know that it is a waste of time. You said it John, this is the reason right here!! Excellent job saying what the truth is! Great job to all you old men who are on the end of their careers and believe snowmobiling should stay the way it’s been. Lol- what garbage.
  8. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    What’s funny is you guys think I off trail...I Dont I'm a trail rider who’d like to be able to see what the off trail is about. Not crazy deep off trail(personally), I’d rather be on trail with my wife and kids but we’d like to be able to have fun some in the deep. Yes we have bigger sleds(144-146”) but that’s because we like the way they ride. to Cobra- I literally said the sport has never been more popular, it’s NH that’s losing the young gen. to TT- I said I don’t care about paying more if I didn’t have to deal with the stupid, out of date laws where I have worry about expensive tickets. it’s funny how you keep saying things like; if I could do it again and I wish they didn’t have these dumb laws. Lol. Exactly why people are exiting the granite state sledding industry im telling you why NH is losing younger riders...
  9. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    What a great point I just thought of. You can’t even get into the grass drags without standing in a mile long line. IT IS INSANE and if you go you know how true that is. snowmobiling is no longer Just about going weeeeee down the trail at a snails pace(37mph). It’s a fast moving sport, it’s become an extreme sport with the capabilities of our machines and cool stuff we can do. HELLO DOUBLE BACKFLIP ON SLED- come on. But River Cat and everyone else who has built the sport up in NH can’t see the writing on the wall. while you’re going to bed after riding. The younger generation- is working their bodies and sleds our in the deep stuff 10 Times harder than you on the trail. Really putting in work/fun and then they’re going to the local spot and having a great night. Work hard- play hard, that’s what’s happening, but sure isn’t in NH.
  10. What incentives do NH land owners have?

  11. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    So here’s just a fast search in Mexico, not even foreclosures. The last house pic is of real nice looking multi families that would be great group buys with family or close friends! The last one is a quick apple map of time from my place to Mexico so you can knock off a good half hour of that time proposed
  12. So my wife and I were talking tonight about our plans to buy a cabin/northern “home” in the next 3-5 years. So of course we look in NH and we look in Maine. Now wouldn’t you know it, I know most of you do. With NH limited housing available in sled/atv country. Minus hunting cabins, $125,000+ range for an out of date, rustic setup. Sure there’s other places in NH, limited and fairly high priced. The days of the $20k hunting cabin for sale in NH are gone. Sure you can find one here and there for $35-50k(hunting cabin) in the burg. The cabin on, 134-maybe, with the solar panel on the front. That was up for a few years. This isn’t 1980 anymore though and most people aren’t interested in a hunting cabin(for their vacation home)you need to haul everything in and out of every time. Meanwhile I pop into a few of Maine’s MANY MANY towns and I can find full houses at $20k, I can find a non-fixer for $130k. I can find multi families that you can group purchase with family for under $150k and need little to no work. foreclosures and houses everywhere in Maine. So we have MA people leaving NH in droves for the winter. Instead of taking a left on 16 they go straight on 95. Instead of taking 93 to the burg- they take it to rangley. By 2021 we’ll easily be able to buy a House, yes House, for $50k in Maine, with trails for endless miles. No speed limit, less traffic- is most likely, and there’s plenty of night life in these towns that rival burg. All you need is a local pub. NH sledding has been in serious trouble, it might be on its last leg with no properties affordable in NH and NH Deciding to TAX their few loyal sledders left to them to make up for their lack of profit. The forecast is ugly for NH snowmobiling economy. Whats NH going to do when you 60-70 year old can’t ride anymore- who’s going to be left??
  13. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    So you’re saying and I should just concede that NH will never change it’s snowmobile laws/ways. NH will forever hate off trail and mountains sleds NH will always have an out dated speed limit no matter how good our equipment gets Forever increasing registration fees to try to recoup lost revenue from exodus of younger riders and our housing market will forever suck.(not that-that matter too much, but a small factor for people who want a hone base to play out of. Is that what is officially the stance and if so and this will be my last question/comment if so. If so, what then, will NH have to offer Over Maine to attract riders or combat the attraction of Maine?
  14. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    So if the large amount of property of public, tell me why it’s so hard to increase speed limit or get rid of all together ?
  15. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    But will it lower the interest in the supply? I have truly have no problem paying $120 a sled if I didn’t have to worry about speeding tickets for 4-7 miles over the speed limit. if any part of the increase is do to NH decline in registrations and not all on Increase cost of maintenance than it is absolutely a tax in disguise
  16. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    Some good perspective in those points. You said you wouldn’t have bought your second home in NH but in VT. Is it the NH Property taxes That would make you do that or does it have anything do with NH’s sledding? i think we can both agree that vacation traffic on 95&93 is much different between summer and winter tourism. Id contest that everyday(Commuter) 93 traffic from mass to Manch and then through concord is far worse than 95 commuter traffic(besides Portland). I can see why ME might be out of your range but for me I could be in Mexico ME, buy a small fixer upper or a foreclosure for less than $50K. It’s a 2 hour ride and I’m well into Maine. Rumford next door has a night life. To your MA people traveling. I only know one family from MA that still is in Anh and that’s because they own a dozen properties in the Burg and are much older. the almost 2 dozen people I know around my age all go to Maine; rangley, eustis, the forks. Some live around Danvers and go up 95. Some live around Lowell and go right passed Errol up 16 to Rangley. I used to cabin in wentworth location and would watch trailers and sled decks blow through into ME
  17. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    Are you even on a ‘snow machine’ anymore young fella... I mean seriously, what a joke if you consider a younger generations take on why NH can’t keep riders younger than the model T on skis generation. I’m telling you why I’m the only member in their 30’s on this site. Because everyone else I know has left NH and it’s sad.
  18. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    So do they not want to drive to Coos County either, or northern Carrol, because that’s not what I see? You don’t need to go to The County in Maine to get great northern ME riding. Anything north of Fryeburg and your Good To Go.
  19. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    John you’re correct, I got my threads combined. Sorry and thank you. I started the thread without enough context. The topic I was trying to raise is: if land owners have no incentive to allow ohrv on their property than they have no problem shutting down trails. No loss no gain so just shut it down. So what incentive do they have to allow trails on their property? That’s what I meant. If a person has an incentive for something than they’d be willing to listen to rule changes to increase popularity of the sport in our state.
  20. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    Let’s not get off my point though, From John’s experiences he always states the land owners don’t want a faster speed limit, the land owners hate long tracks. So how could we get them on board if law changes were being proposed. How about registration vouchers each year for their toys, if they don’t ride they are transferable to anyone they desire ? theres an idea
  21. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    I don’t read any incentive that is specific to ohrv use. What about the property owner whos parcel is too small to fall under current use? what if a trail came through my acre and a half, I can’t apply for Current Use
  22. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    Who’s beating around the bush DD. I’ve been straight up vocal about the increase. I’ve been straight up vocal about other issues as well. Everyone on sledNH knows very well what I think. Most Americans are not lazy, cheap, and if they’re that dependent on Mommy and Daddy than Mommy and Daddy did a shit job raising productive people for our country. But I digress on that subject(you can find my opinion on that subject in other posts if you want to look back) Yes people under 50 are leaving NH sledding every year to go to Maine where they don’t have to deal with NH’s BS. Registration fees NH residential:$97 Me residential:$46 NH nonresidential:$116 ME nonresidential:$100 ME has Not voted to raise their fees NH has voted to raise them not just once but twice.. 2020: NH resident:$26 increase to $122, nonresident to $142 2021: NH resident: $21 increase $143, nonresident:$11 $153
  23. What incentives do NH land owners have?

    I’m tracking the Current Use law, my dear friend in Boscawen( Hi brother), his mother owns large property in Andover and she operates under Current Use tax exemption. NH also has a veterans property tax credit up to $500, So why not a tax credit to incentivize land owners opening up their property. But what do I always here, it’s the land owners who don’t want the higher speed limit, it’s land owners that hate long tracks. No, it has nothing to do with the state is all I hear on SledNH- all just those grumpy land owners. Don’t Buy It.
  24. # of properties to buy in NH compared to ME

    John, work with me here- read what I’m trying to say, not just my literal words. You always go by my literal wording and not what I’m conveying. I’m referring the the hike(s) in registration fees over few years as the tax. That’s why I referenced by ‘2021’ we’ll be lookin to buy a northern vacation home. You can say cost of maintenance has gone up- I believe it. But having more Registrations would help off set that cost. Not charging even more to the people you have left riding in your state. You’re going to drive even more people out of NH sledding and into Maine. Obviously the state doesn’t have control of the housing market- this isn’t California, we are a free state-Thank God! What I’m saying is Maine has an extremely CHEAP real estate market, with Plenty to choose from across the state. So NH real estate- high cost, low availability/high demand ME real estate- low cost, extremely high availability When we’re ready to buy in a few years, it’s going to be in Maine and my 5 person family(3 registration now, 4 by 202, and my youngest is 2 so she has a bit), we are taking our sledding to Maine and not coming back. NH has made it very clear they love their way of what snowmobiling should be and it doesn’t mix with what the younger Americans want to do
  25. Fish and Game Executive Director being shown the door

    ....oh boy