Freedom Rider

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  1. Another pro snowmobile news article. Yet more about OHRV and registering them than about snowmobiling. So much for getting the word out to the snowmobilers regarding the voucher system and the inability of the dealers being able to sell vouchers for one stop shopping.Clubs must be loving the F&G and the new regime that kisses the NHSA ass with new system so NHSA will push registration increase to raise funding for an antique inept led state agency.Too bad Tim Acerno and John Wimsait got pushed out and replaced with some clown who only cares about money and not the sport that we all dearly love. He cant even differenciat the difference between snowmobiles and OHRV wheeled vehicles. All he sees is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ cash cow and the clubs doing all the work so F&G will reap the rewards of all the money. http://www.newhampshire.com/article/20181021/NEWHAMPSHIRE03/181029996
  2. How high could sled registration go?

    Why would you support this registration increase? It is also going to end any state funding of groomer purchase or refurb. Where is that money going to come from? Just upping hourly rate does not guarantee funding to a club.It only comes into play if great snow year and no breakdowns. As the majority of clubs will never qualify for straight unassisted financing it will be a major set back. The only reason clubs get financing is because with Trails Bureau putting up 65 % of the cost it is a no brainer for bank. The note at maximum would be for 35% cost of machine. The state will not standby and see any groomer in program repossessed. If a trade and RTP involved the actually potential loss exposure drops dramatically. Most clubs would have to get a club officer to co-sign to qualify for financing 100% of a machine. A more reasonable increase coupled with a refined GIA equipment program will go further to assisting the clubs to maintain trails.If not between the high registration cost and the ability of clubs to maintain trails with antique equipment the clubs will lose members and the state will lose registrations.
  3. What did you do with your portion of the $10 million

    Why do you even respond as you are not a snowmobiler? You are always trying to tell people what the person making the post was thinking. What Dave is proposing is to increase funding for GIA to help in the time it will take it to even get to legislature. The NHSA is pushing for 100% increase in registration and then another $30.00 increase shortly thereafter. When you look at the money that finally trickles down from those proposed numbers to GIA it doesn't help very much.The overhead of the Agencies will eat most of it up. Easiest way to keep snowmobile clubs healthy and riders from leaving state is to just get rid of discount and have everybody just pay the $30.00 more per sled and it goes to GIA and not the Agencies overhead. I ask you this. What pays it's way more evenly? One sled that pays the $96.00 or 4 sleds taking $30.00 discount per sled and only paying $20.00 (average) and $10.00 for discount voucher? 4 x $96.00 =$384.00 -$120.00=$264.00+$20.00 (club fee)+$10.00 Discount voucher=$294.00 /4 sleds = $73.50 per sled. 4 sleds do 4 times as much damage as one sled. But the club/GIA only sees $73.50 per sled vs. teh $96.00 for the one. The one sled pays a lot more for its use on the trail and into the program than the failed club discount program. It doesnt get anymore people to help out. It only allows NHSA to make $10.00 per voucher. And none of that money ever sees the club or trails. The loss of trails he is referring to is that of areas where the clubs are closing the doors because of lack of funding and volunteers.NHSA clubs have gone from 114 to 106 in just a couple of years and still more closing soon.
  4. VD NUMBERS IN BLOCKS from NHSA to Club?

    Be the first time they gave out anything. "VD"? (Very Disgusted)?
  5. VD NUMBERS IN BLOCKS from NHSA to Club?

    If everyone wants a very simple registration process just go register in Maine. Cheaper than in NH., Can be done 100% online, Can be done at town halls in Maine, Can be done at dealers, Can be done at clubs, Can be done at Kittery Trading Post, Can be done for a couple of days, and Can be done for a week. Come on New Hampshire take your head out of your ass and fix it or you will be losing alot of Non Residents as well as Residents.
  6. New suggested registration rate proposed by NHSA Committee. $120.00 per sled for residents after discount This means $32.81 going to F&G This means $1.00 goes to F&G Search and Rescue This means $5.00 agent fee and transaction fee $34.18 is amount of additional funds to be used by Trails Bureau for trail grooming and summer maintenance. This equals a total $81.18 per new registration cost going to GIA and Trails Bureau for trails. No more grooming equipment or groomer maintenance (Refurbs) Clubs will get an increase in grooming hours actually groomed. Low snow means no money for club to pay cost of owning groomer Cost increase per registration to resident $54.00 per sled if joining club and buying discount from NHSA at an average cost of $20.00 for club and $10.00 NHSA to buy discount. Cost for discount by sled using average price club membership 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $150.00 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $135.00 3 sleds- $10.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $130.00 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $127.50 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration rate $66.00 for resident with discount This equals $47.00 going to GIA and Trails Bureau for trails This equals $13.00 going to F&G This means $1.00 goes to Search and Rescue. This means $5.00 agent fee and transaction fee 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $96.00 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $81.00 3 sleds- $10.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $76.00 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $73.50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration cost for resident without discount being bought $96.00 This equals $77.00 going to GIA and Trails Bureau for trails This equals $13.00 going to F&G This means $1.00 goes to Search and Rescue. This means $5.00 agent fee and transaction fee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Percentage of cost of registration going to GIA and Trails Program New proposed Registration 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $150.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program= 54.12 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $135.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program= 60.13 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 3 sleds- $10. actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $130.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program=62.44 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $127.50 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program=63.67 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration with discount 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $96.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program= 48.95 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $81.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program= 58.02 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 3 sleds- $10. actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $76.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program=61.84 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $73.50 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program=63.94 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration no discount Current registration cost for resident without discount being bought $96.00 $77.00 Trails Program=80.02 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program We all know more funding is needed for the trails program. How do you do that without raising registration cost to the point of pushing people to other states, out of the sport, or just not registering and run illegally. To me, based on above info, the most return for a resident registering a sled as far as investing in Trails is as follows: Current registration cost for resident without discount being bought $96.00 $77.00 Trails Program=80.02 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program Current registration with discount 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $96.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program= 48.95 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program New proposed Registration 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $150.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program= 54.12 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program I think the discounted registration program has run its course. Time to remove it from the RSA. Clubs that do a good job on it’s trails and membership programs will still get people to join. Clubs that don’t will have problems. I think paying $96.00 per sled for resident resulting in $77.00 into GIA and trails program @ 80.02 % return into program is much better than $150.00 per sled with discount for resident resulting in $81.18 into GIA and trails program @ 54.12 % return into GIA and Trails Program. As residents what do you think? It is a $54.00 resident registration increase per sled. No more groomer equipment support from GIA for clubs.
  7. MAKE SNOWMOBILING GREAT AGAIN

    Nice post Mr. Copeland. It is along same lines as my post regarding applying $30.00 cost by not using discount scheme except a more permanent resolution. I for one would rather see $30.00 increase to go to GIA only. I would rather pay $30.00 increase than to pay $150.00/$180.00 registration cost with most of it going to subsidize state agencies instead of trails program. The higher proposed registration along with proposed cuts to GIA funding any support for grooming equipment will just gut the clubs ability to have fairly modern grooming equipment. The grooming rate will increase, supposedly. If it is a low snow year or economy tanks like in 2008 or gas keeps going up people will be forced to invest their money more wisely. Clubs will not be able to come up with 100% self purchasing of grooming equipment.I highly doubt many clubs will be able to get financing on a $250.00+ new groomer. As it is now with RTP and GIA Grant funding available the Bank knows the State is not going to let a note go unpaid because of their vested interest in it along with most notes being only in $50,000 or less cost range. Try getting a loan for $250,000 with income of less than say $5,000.00 from membership (if you are a large club) and if it snows and you use all of your grooming hours maybe $15,000.00 (large lakes region clubs). Of course upkeep, insurance, and fuel do reduce the groomer income significantly. I would think by at least half. The club would be left with a monthly payment n the area of about $2,826.00 per month minimum year round.This would be on $200,000.00 after club trades or puts down $50,000.00 down payment. Sorry for long reply. Just think people need to understand where the sport is hurting from lack of funding. 1)people leaving do to rising costs 2) clubs losing members money and more importantly volunteers 3) unobtainable grooming equipment as prices are going nuts. 4) clubs depending on online membership system through a third party. The new member has no contact with club. No welcome or a no hand shake at a meeting. No joining at an event. No referral by a dealer or registration dealer. It is a total sterile business transaction. Very easy to say I am buying the cheapest membership from wherever. It is easier for new member not to donate anything when they are not looking a human in the eyes.
  8. Registration increase being proposed

    I was stating the current option of not using discount. No mention was made of changing legislation to remove discount in my post. No need for legislation to use that option.I stated my opinion on using the options that are on the table and what is being worked on by NHSA Committee for future increase in Registration. The easiest way to resolve funding shortages without driving people away or out of the sport, the quickest, is to not take discount now. The $30.00 bump in funding goes directly to GIA program immediately. I personally will still join my local club to support their trails program. Paying in this manor means F&G receives no increase in funding from this $30.00. Why do you think you know what I was saying better than me? I used the RSA, F&G info from their website, and overview presented to Grafton County Clubs, by Terry Callum, at their County Meeting. The Grafton County Director emailed the clubs with all relevant info for those unable to attend. Maybe you should stick with ATV issues, as you have said you do not snowmobile and you do not belong to snowmobile club in the past. Don't analyze my comments or posts and try to put spin on it for your agenda.
  9. Registration increase being proposed

    http://www.eregulations.com/newhampshire/ohrv/registration-information/ This is where registration numbers I got came from. It is from NH F&G website link to NH F&G Digest. It does conflict with actual RSA. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XVIII/215-C/215-C-39.htm Fish and Game webstie says resident registration fee is $66.00 for a club member. The RSA says it is $60.00 for resident club member. The note on RSA says last updated effective July, 2017 Wonder where the additional $6.00 fee came from?
  10. I do not doubt that people will just ride unregistered. Watch what happens when system goes down on a Friday. People wont spend the extra $30.00 they will just ride. For a non resident still cheaper to run risk. Chances of seeing a CO out on trails is between slim and none. Only place you will see them is on a straightaway in Pittsburg.Or maybe 4-6 of them sitting in restaurant next to Youngs eating. Almost non existent law enforcement for snowmobiling in NH. They do show up when reporters are there though. I did get pulled over 2 years ago driving down road with my work trailer in NH. Excuse was plate mounted in wrong place. It was mounted to factory bracket welded to location set in factory, lit up by plate light. My question to him was eye exam a requirement and since when are F&G doing DOT's job for commercial vehicle? Was hunting for construction jobs now covered under hunting and fishing? F#*king joke.
  11. What comes next? Fat Lady Singing for clubs.
  12. New Hampshire Fish and Game Adminastrative Rules

    This subject is just the first FU to the snowmobilers in New Hampshire. It is even a bigger FU to the clubs. The next is on its way.The following will be the start of the end of the clubs in NH. It will be the beginning of NHSA promoting snowmobilers going to Maine and Vermont.How do you think the support will be of $150.00 registrations for first step followed by $180.00 per sled registration thereafter? Clubs having to pay 100 % for all groomers, refurbs, and repairs? This what the braintrust in the blackhole better known as Tilton is working on. The following was presented at a County meeting this spring. See below:
  13. Special Meeting

    MAINE the vacation state.
  14. Money grab New Hampshire style

    Hello all snowmobilers, I just wanted to post some info that should be disclosed to anyone or clubs that participate in the NHSA Online Membership Portal. If individual joins through the portal they are paying a $2.00 transaction fee. They then pay another $10.00 Transaction fee. Then they pay the club fee whatever that may be. At no point do they join the NHSA nor do they receive any benefits such as the Snow traveler. They cannot ever be a delegate to the NHSA Annual Meeting nor participate in NHSA functions. They cannot be an officer either. The club gets no credit towards it’s membership numbers that are used to arrive at the delegate count used for representation at Annual Meeting or the right to vote for the slate of officers. You are being charged $12.00 and get absolutely nothing in return. Your club gets their dues but nothing regarding delegates for Voting purposes. How will a club be able to offer anything to the “Lower Class” members? If they participate in an event of anything club sponsored they have no insurance if club is signed onto NHSA insurance. So, if they get hurt they will be suing club for damages and the club will have no coverage. Clubs should think long and hard before signing on to this plan. Potential buyers should think of what they are buying. Nothing. They are better off joining club direct and giving the $12.00 to the club for its trails maintenance fund. At least you help the sport instead of feeding the Blackhole of Tilton. If you are a club don't whine that you have no money or members to donate. This program does nothing for the clubs. Why do you think the Big Northern Clubs are not signing on? Do you think anybody is going to help you club with volunteer labor with no insurance coverage?
  15. Money grab New Hampshire style

    Well Rob that is good to hear that they did it right. As for the meeting I made my choice to not drive the 45 minutes in the freezing rain that we had south of you. I guess if I lived 5 minutes away like you I would have gone to. I am glad to hear that I was wrong in my statement and can say I have the balls to admit I was wrong. Too bad your Board can't say the same. Such as accusations being made at your monthly Board meeting. Making statements that have no facts, correct Russ Neil? Making accusations that about people who you shared content with via PM, when as a sitting Board member you should not have been talking out of school.
  16. Money grab New Hampshire style

    So much for disclosure to the buying public. My understanding of the bylaws says that this change is a dues/membership change and therefor should have been voted on by the delegates at the Annual Meeting. The vote was taken at a Executive session meeting as well. The minutes of that meeting should be open to the public as a vote was taken and there needs to be a public record of that. I guess rules are only for HONEST people. Enough said to draw a conclusion as to what people fit that and those who don't. Don't count on it though. BlackHole of Tilton. Where money goes in and no information comes out.Al Capone would have fit in nicely.
  17. Club membership requirement

    I think the whole discount program should be abandoned. It failed to live up to the hype of more money and more volunteers. Yes the NHSA got more money but the clubs did not. Back to the merits of having a good product and the public will but it. Demand they buy it and prepare for kick back. I think a early buy program for clubs and registration would be a more viable option. Getting the money into the hands of the agencies and clubs who do the work would be more beneficial to the sport than to rely on another layer of Bureaucracy just sucking the money dry with little productive showing for it.The trails were maintained before the discount program went into affect.
  18. Club membership requirement

    Does your club have mandatory NHSA Membership included in it's bylaws or Articles of Agreement? If so you cannot be involved in the NHSA Online Membership Program. As anybody joining your club through this program is not a member of NHSA. What does your club do? Pay the $10.00 to NHSA so your club can be a legal member of your club? Or does it tell the person thank you for joining us but you are a low grade member and cannot participate? Make sure to tell them no insurance for them if they are hurt doing anything for the club. What will your club do now about it's bylaws and Articles of Agreement with regards to ruling made by NH Attorney General regarding no one can be forced to join NHSA nor can NHSA force 100% membership? Make changes, make believe it never happened, or stick their head in the sand and hope they don't get complaints by Anti Trust part of AG's office. One piece of advice. Don't ask NHSA or it's leadership for advice. Trails Bureau $30.00 fee instead of discount for registration is looking better everyday. At least $30.00 goes to Trails Program and GIA and none to the Black Hole of Tilton.
  19. Club memberships & sled registrations

    The system has been down since last Wednesday. People are locked out of their accounts.The fix for passwords has failed to fix the problem. The "EXPERTS" are working on it.
  20. Damnit! (If that's allowed)

    With all of the powder the water helps the snow pack and make a good base as it comes out of drag. At least that is what the experts post. Hahaha
  21. Coming soon

    A birdie has told me that the snowmobiling community in NH may see this firsthand in the near future. Coming soon. Interesting reading below. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2016/title-xxxi/chapter-358-a/ 358-A:7 Assurance of Discontinuance. – Nothing contained in this chapter shall be construed as preventing the attorney general, in cases in which the attorney general is authorized to bring an action, from accepting in lieu thereof an assurance of discontinuance of any act or practice which violates this chapter. Such assurance may include a stipulation for the voluntary payment by the alleged violator of the costs of investigation by the attorney general, or of an amount to be held in escrow pending the outcome of an action, or of an amount to restore to any person any money or real or personal property which may have been acquired by such alleged violator, or all 3. Any such assurance of discontinuance shall be in writing and be filed with the superior court of Merrimack county. Matters thus closed may be reopened by the attorney general at any time it is in the public interest. Evidence of a violation of such assurance shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act or practice declared to be unlawful by this chapter in any action thereafter commenced by the attorney general.
  22. Online Membership Update

    Please take notice of Quote by AG Anti Trust lawyer regarding how they were price fixing
  23. Coming soon

    http://www.unionleader.com/article/20180111/NEWS02/180119804 Good article in Union Leader regarding matter today at lunchtime. Hopefully things will move in a more forward and positive direction