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REGISTER RIGHT to keep it FLAT and WHITE. 1 Dump the discount, put the $30 where it will do the most to keep it FLAT and WHITE, the Trails Bureau (Grant in Aid). Remember the $30 is now $18 because you have to throw away $12 to get $30 and by registering this way it should put off the proposed registration increase to $150 to $180 per sled. 2 Join a Club to keep it FLAT and WHITE, where you live, ride, or both and yes the money helps but the money and your involvement makes a difference, remember most trails are maintained and groomed by club volunteers. 3 Be nice, say please and thank you, treat people like you would like or expect to be treated. 4 Stay away from associations that are only concerned with there bottom line 5 Remember not everyone rides the same sled as you or has the same riding style. We are all snowmobilers and if we work together, support each other, respect landowners and law enforcement we can MAKE SNOWMOBILING GREAT AGAIN. THANKS Dave Copeland

Looks awesome Steve! That will be a great project for you and your son! And it looks like you've already given it the WD-40 treatment. That's always the first step. If the windshield isn't cracked (it looks complete from the pics) then you might be able to clean it up with plastic polish. I've had pretty good luck with this stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Novus-7100-Plastic-Polish-Kit/dp/B002UCYRZU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1533582870&sr=8-4&keywords=plastic+polish And if you can't find a hood in time, you can always do the "frankenstein repair" - holes drilled on either sides of the crack and then stitched together with zip ties. I know that wouldn't really be up to snorander standards, but it would get you by until you could find one.

Will be interesting to watch this progress. You will need to do some searching to find the missing parts for that thing for sure. Could turn out to be a great project.

Our sport is in crisis. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we need more funding. I would like to provide a low-cost fix that is immediately available and I have been suggesting for years. REGISTER: REGISTER without taking the discount, you pay $96.00 per sled. 1. Yes it will cost more money, and if you REGISTER more than one sled it’s going to cost $ 30.00 for each additional sleds, but remember the old discount of $30.00 has been reduced to well let’s see. You must buy a voucher for $10.00 plus $2.00 transaction fee and in order to do this you must join a club which and that will cost the club a $10.00 membership fee to the NHSA. And if want to be a member of the NHSA or your club by-laws say that the club members will be 100% NHSA members that’s another $10.00. That s a grand total of $32.00, didn’ realize this, you are not alone, I’m sure that at least 50% of the NHSA board of directors have no clue. Probably your clubs old membership fee of $30.00 or less is not going to work and it just cost $32.00 to get a $30.00 discount. 2. Be aware do not think that you are going to go to a dealership or agent and buy a voucher and REGISTER, the NHSA has taken that away from you. To do this your club would have to buy a tablet or computer and printer and put them at every location to sell club memberships and vouchers. 3. As recent posts have shown, the $30.00 for every sled REGISTERED goes directly to Grant in Aid, this is the best way to get the highest percentage of your REGISTATION dollars to Grant in Aid. Even higher than proposed increases and if enough people participate there will be less of a need for a REGISTATION increase! 4. Since the $30.00 will go directly to improving snowmobile trails, this is the best $30.00 accessory you can by for your sled or sleds. Better trails make for a more enjoyable and safe ride and less ware and tear on your sled. SUPPORT; SUPPORT a club or clubs 1. Yes Support , you are not seeking membership,. As previously reported it seems that $10.00 will be accessed for every member that JOINS a club 2. Yes, this will cost you more money. Before you were taking the $30.00 discount and using this money to Join a club, now you have wisely invested that $30 in Grant in Aid. 3. Now your only additional cost is that of SUPPORTING a club or clubs that will give you the most benefit for your REGISTRATION dollars SUPPORT the club or clubs you have chosen. 1. Above all attend meetings, events, functions, and SUPPORT your fellow SUPPORTERS. 2. Become involved as an officer, committee member, work parties to make the trails you ride safe and enjoyable, groomer operator and/or groomer maintenance. Remember most trails are groomed and maintained by SUPPORTERS like yourself. 3. SUPPORT your neighboring club’s events and functions, yes you are both competing for SUPPORTERS and may the best club win. One exception, if one club is Supporting the sport (promoting paying $96.00 and Supporting a club) and the other is promoting itself (sounds like an association I have heard of) then of course SUPPORT the club that SUPPORTS the sport. THE ADVANTAGE Your club no longer has to deal with vouchers, portals, contracts, and your club membership person is only concerned with club SUPPORTERS. Yes, in the rare case that someone wants to join the NHSA you would have to use the portal and most clubs are planning on charging an additional $5.00 to $10.00 for this service. So that would be $10.00 to join NHSA, $10.00 membership fee, and $10.00 portal fee or $30.00 to join the NHSA, any takers! Another option would be to not even offer the option to join the NHSA. This reduces your involvement with the NHSA, less stress, frustration, accounting, and no need to sign the contract. Until the NHSA changes it deceptive ways and starts to SUPPORT the sport and those of us that SUPPORT it, it is very hard to support an association that is only concerned with itself and it’s bottom line. Just think where we would be if the association put as much effort into the sport as they do the grass drags and Easter Seals. I would be the first to join the NHSA if they put as much effort in the sport, as they do these two events. CONCLUSION We all know of the proposed REGISTRATION increases in the works, but we all work together we can succeed and just maybe our state association will realize that if you treat people fairly and up front with everyone you can get things done. This will take a grass roots effort by all of you. Someday maybe we will want to join and SUPPORT our association because we want to, not because they have spent our money on lawyers to find ways to force us to join. Thanks Dave Copeland Yes, you can forward, copy, post, send at copy to your Senator, AG’s office or anywhere it will be read.

New suggested registration rate proposed by NHSA Committee. $120.00 per sled for residents after discount This means $32.81 going to F&G This means $1.00 goes to F&G Search and Rescue This means $5.00 agent fee and transaction fee $34.18 is amount of additional funds to be used by Trails Bureau for trail grooming and summer maintenance. This equals a total $81.18 per new registration cost going to GIA and Trails Bureau for trails. No more grooming equipment or groomer maintenance (Refurbs) Clubs will get an increase in grooming hours actually groomed. Low snow means no money for club to pay cost of owning groomer Cost increase per registration to resident $54.00 per sled if joining club and buying discount from NHSA at an average cost of $20.00 for club and $10.00 NHSA to buy discount. Cost for discount by sled using average price club membership 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $150.00 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $135.00 3 sleds- $10.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $130.00 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $127.50 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration rate $66.00 for resident with discount This equals $47.00 going to GIA and Trails Bureau for trails This equals $13.00 going to F&G This means $1.00 goes to Search and Rescue. This means $5.00 agent fee and transaction fee 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $96.00 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $81.00 3 sleds- $10.00 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $76.00 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount to register sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee is $73.50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration cost for resident without discount being bought $96.00 This equals $77.00 going to GIA and Trails Bureau for trails This equals $13.00 going to F&G This means $1.00 goes to Search and Rescue. This means $5.00 agent fee and transaction fee ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Percentage of cost of registration going to GIA and Trails Program New proposed Registration 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $150.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program= 54.12 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $135.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program= 60.13 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 3 sleds- $10. actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $130.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program=62.44 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $127.50 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program=63.67 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration with discount 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $96.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program= 48.95 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 2 sleds- $15.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $81.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program= 58.02 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 3 sleds- $10. actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $76.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program=61.84 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program 4 sleds- $7.50 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $73.50 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program=63.94 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current registration no discount Current registration cost for resident without discount being bought $96.00 $77.00 Trails Program=80.02 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program We all know more funding is needed for the trails program. How do you do that without raising registration cost to the point of pushing people to other states, out of the sport, or just not registering and run illegally. To me, based on above info, the most return for a resident registering a sled as far as investing in Trails is as follows: Current registration cost for resident without discount being bought $96.00 $77.00 Trails Program=80.02 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program Current registration with discount 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $96.00 per sled to register. $47.00 Trails Program= 48.95 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program New proposed Registration 1 sled- $30.00 actual cost to buy discount per sled inc. club membership and NHSA fee. Total is $150.00 per sled to register. $81.18 Trails Program= 54.12 % of cost goes to GIA and trails program I think the discounted registration program has run its course. Time to remove it from the RSA. Clubs that do a good job on it’s trails and membership programs will still get people to join. Clubs that don’t will have problems. I think paying $96.00 per sled for resident resulting in $77.00 into GIA and trails program @ 80.02 % return into program is much better than $150.00 per sled with discount for resident resulting in $81.18 into GIA and trails program @ 54.12 % return into GIA and Trails Program. As residents what do you think? It is a $54.00 resident registration increase per sled. No more groomer equipment support from GIA for clubs.

Was time to upgrade from my 2006 Pacifica. 196,000 miles, getting rusty needed maintenance that would cost more than it was worth. Going to miss it in some ways, was a great vehicle. Towed the sled trailer all over NH and Maine, never needed a ride on a wrecker, never needed to open up the motor or drive train for a failure. Got my value out of it for sure. Got a Ram pickup, 2017, 22,000 miles. I am REALLY liking it so far. Plenty of room, tons of power, and uses about the same amount of gas as the Pacifica did, based on the first week. This thing will tow the trailer much better, we really need a good snow winter now.

To borrow a phrase from someone " Make America Poor Again"! That's some wicked numbers for a lot of older folks that are still into the "Sport of Kings"! pathfinder

I’m going to start a go-fund me page so we can cover the cost of attaching a third arm to Dave. That way he can pat himself on the back while still eating, swimming, snowmobiling or signing autographs at “Hero’s” bridge!

It looks like NH is trying to be like VT and price themselves out of the market. Sure, they may still get NH residents and second home owners, but Maine will be the winner at the end of the day.

Apparently its over, the clubs just got a giant f you from NHSA and NHF&G. Our notification came from the Tilton brass on Thursday that only the NHSA voucher will be accepted as proof of membership for the registration discount. There goes 50% or more of our satellite sales member source . We do not want to buy devices to put at all the locations and can't expect the agents to deal with that part of it. This is the beginning of the end for many clubs and sadly it seems that our association is single minded in there quest for total control of all the clubs, and anything related to rules and registration. I was scolded once before for making negative comments about the association and told that there is a proper chain to address the issues. Well see how that works, many people rallied against this rule and showed the impact on the clubs, trying to stop the impending freight train of power hungry people. The system does not work. I am disappointed, and having a tough time staying positive about the NHSA, and the NHF&G. Thank you to all who lobbied hard to stop this ruling, and most importantly good luck to all the clubs in dealing with this obstacle.

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I am horrified by this Jeff. The freight train is coming. And HQ wants clubs that want to use there online sales to sign off that no matter what happens, you agree not to go to the ag office, state of NH, F&G or anyone other than Tilton brass to discuss your issue. Then you will be considered a problem, and ignored. Registering in Maine only, is looking better and better.

This subject is just the first FU to the snowmobilers in New Hampshire. It is even a bigger FU to the clubs. The next is on its way.The following will be the start of the end of the clubs in NH. It will be the beginning of NHSA promoting snowmobilers going to Maine and Vermont.How do you think the support will be of $150.00 registrations for first step followed by $180.00 per sled registration thereafter? Clubs having to pay 100 % for all groomers, refurbs, and repairs? This what the braintrust in the blackhole better known as Tilton is working on. The following was presented at a County meeting this spring. See below:

MSC stands to possibly loose up to $18,000 next Season if we can not continue our ONLINE Membership and our DEALER Memberships. These 2 avenues of Memberships made up for 61% of our Membership this year.WE need "VD Numbers" to operate these Systems. I will be contacting Beth this week to open up a Discussion we had on NHSA working with Clubs by possibly granting "Blocks of VD Numbers to keep Clubs functioning. NHSA has NO WAY of handling the Dollar Amount of DONATIONS, Sales of MAPS and Decals that are generated at the time someone makes out an Application to join our Club. Example of High dollar donations, $300.00 or even $500.00 are not uncommon. IT's what you call ONE STOP SHOPPING. I am all for Changing the RSA and eliminating the Discount. With out the Discount Clubs could possibly LOWER their "DUE" by the $10.00 built-in to cover the NHSA. You would only Need to join THE CLUB. What's been TRASHED here is the simple language of "YOU MUST BE A "MEMBER OF A CLUB" that is a Member of NHSA to qualify for the Discoun It's either sit in my "Recliner" all Day or be obsessed with this 24 hours a days! It's one of the advantages of being RE-TIRED. Number of People who viewed this post form WINNI.COM since 11:40 AM (2:21pm) VS maybe 3 on SLEDNH! WINNI 4:43 72 (+23) as of 7-22 166 IT"S TIME TO WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone remember when SLEDNH played a Key role in getting the Castle Trails Reopened? Link to SNOWMOBILE FORUM on winnipesaukee.com https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22

I couldn't agree more with you and have also been wrestling with how a lot of clubs will deal with this issue. A lot of people have been saying for years that the discount program just does not work anymore and is more trouble than its worth, well I'm starting to agree with them. I see more people at their local dealer saying "to heck with it" and registering as non club members because the extra hastle just isn't worth it. This is a double edged sword because clubs will suffer but GIA will receive some extra funds that are much needed. I can already hear people saying that only the strong clubs will survive, well I hope those strong clubs are willing and able to take over the trails for the small clubs that go under. I'm personally finding it hard to advocate for a group that seems more worried and focused on their bottom line than the well being of the clubs that make this sport happen. Maybe its time for clubs to push harder for donations and ask their members to register as non club members which will give more money to GIA and less to the other group. If we don't find a way to put more into GIA then a significant registration increase will be inevitable. I'm sure we'll have a lot to discuss at upcoming club meetings.