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The logic and arguments about off trail anything (Snowmobiling, ATV's, dirt bikes etc) is getting older than dirt, and not much ever seems to get resolved. Back in the day, I rode dirt bikes in Northern Mass. pretty much anywhere and never really had any issues with access to where we wanted to ride. We did make a mess of things in muddy areas, but never really got in trouble. Started riding Pittsburg in the early 80's when there was less traffic, hardly any long track dedicated mountain vehicles, and went into some areas that were definitely off trail, limited only by where we dare take a trail sled. Often times during that period of time, we would bump into Fish and Game out there and they were only concerned with us knowing where we were and how to get out safely. Between then and now, the evolution of the average sled has taken a definite turn towards off trail design, long,deep paddle tracks, giant motors, riser bars all contribute to comfort hitting it hard on mountain terrain. A visit to any gas stop in the area shows that the popularity of this type of sled is dominating the trails as well as "protected areas". The manufacturers of these machines could care less if people use them in protected areas, and are in a sense, shooting themselves in the foot, by causing trail closures and related problems which impact future sales. Another issue that has not been raised is the level of damage that paddle tracks cause on groomed trails, even with careful riding. You only have to follow a deep paddle rider to see the impact of one pass on fresh groomed snow. The clubs end up on the receiving end of complaints that the frequency of passes is inadequate. Complex issues that are weaved together in a mix of cause and effect that has no simple resolution............ pathfinder

"dedicated to serving our members" That doesn't sound like anything that NHSA would be interested in …

You get serviced ok. Dry and hard, no lube either. New group will probably be another way for you to have to buy a voucher to join a club and buy another voucher to register your sled. Here is a video of the County Directors at last NHSA Board meeting when someone had a good idea to help the sport or their respective clubs. Does this look familiar to you guys Rob or Dirt Dummy? https://www.facebook.com/ActiveHire.co.uk/videos/1813861348703779/

The Look and Feel of Winter and SNOW... Nothing like it unless you hate the cold (then move!). Sitting down, having my morning coffee, looking out the window and just relaxing with the winter wonderland presented to me. Then out to start grooming my camp trail access and install a small bridge. It was good to have some cold weather to start freezing things up...now time for the snow to fall and NOT rain. Headed back home in the afternoon... ugh! Work gets in the way of everything.

I heard a rumor that to reduce costs for the website, John tried converting to LED bulbs. Apparently they don't break as easy.........

The person who wrote the subject for the thread included NHSA in it. It was not twisted and inserted.Valium may help the temper a little.

Ummmmmm It's the holiday season...HINT HINT

You are too kind. I have no problem sitting in the seat and dreaming of the diesel hum and white gold

I don't know about the future of snow, but currently, Pittsburg has had 51 inches already (John's NH Weather) and it's still snowing hard. Too bad it's not even winter yet! pathfinder

Amen. Don't think we've ever done a 60 mile ride in November...until today. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

You convinced me Mr. Copeland. I registered both sleds Resident No Discount. To support the club where I ride I intend to submit a donation through their website store rather than buying a membership that would be shared with NHSA.

LOL!! Good one Skip!

Most power lines in NH are easements over private land for the sole purpose of providing electric service. The club gets permission to create a trail from the private landowner, not for permission to use the whole property. Most of the riding up north is also on private property. The ski areas mostly own or lease their land, and the operation is run as a business.

I posted this here in 2014, not much has changed I guess. I think the idea of getting the people who would like to ride off trail involved with the clubs (and for the clubs to accept them), and work with landowners where possible to define acceptable places to ride is the best answer. that doesn't mean showing up at a meeting and asking someone to define it for them; it means really getting involved. Trails will continue to close if the off trail riders continue to ride where they are not wanted, which isn't good for any of us. I'm not into the off trail stuff, don't really understand the draw, but am fine with it as long as riders have permission to use the areas where they ride.

I'll take your old leftovers!

All I want for Christmas is a new groomer fleet,

I need my xmas stress reliever

Someday an upgrade!

How many of us would be around in the next century to care?

Actually, O-Thumper twisted it to what a select few here always do, and made it an "Anti-NHSA" issue. Re-read everything above that, and it was perfectly civil. Gets irritating, that's all. I could use a Valium after this crappy storm today.

We only ended up with 4-5" of new snow in Twin. I'll take 9" on the ground but was hoping for more.

http://www.unionleader.com/news/courts/snowmobile-group-sued-over-change-in-governing-documents/article_dea0ebf5-fec6-5886-9d4e-9b9b5e986a12.html Just put in online newspaper under an hour ago. Looks like court tomorrow.

Ain't never selling mine...no way....no how! Its a ultra rare 2012 600 A.C.E. MXZ TnT. The TnT's were clutched differently than the sport models, all the low end torque you'll ever need for the twistys here in NH. Never seen one like it for sale. Going on 6 years now, still runs like new, no issues whatsoever, and still gets 30 mpg to boot! Fun little thread on DooTalk about the A.C.E. secondary market. https://www.dootalk.com/forums/topic/1515953-used-600-ace-market/

Did that as well joined groveton trailblazers and made donation to trail fund

Good, bad , or indifferent, bought the sled this afternoon. Sled was very clean, and only 27 miles. Should be like a new sled.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Enjoy, stay healthy and pray for a good season.

I picked up this used 2006 Polaris FST Classic, 1,900 miles. 750cc 4-Stroke Turbo. Does or did anyone else have one?

If the sled has heated grips, you don't want thick gloves or mittens. I would also stay away from gauntlets at that age. Dexterity is very important, gloves with insulation on the back of the hand are the best, use chemical hand warmers as a supplemental heating source also I put them in my pockets activated before I ride, if your hands get cold you can stop and put your hands in your pockets and warm them up quickly . I also use them for my cell phone and camera in my pockets.

Got a 2011 (first year) 600 ACE in the stable (No ITC like current model..older Rev-XP chassis). It's technically my in-laws sled, and they are very happy with it. When they're not visiting to ride (most of the season), my wife rides it quite a bit...more so than her actual sled ('05 GTX 550Fan). I buzz around on it from time to time too. I think it's a great trail sled for novice riders or anyone who isn't inclined to be super itchy with the throttle. I find it reasonably peppy at the very low end...up to 20-30 it's plenty quick. So yeah, I think it's overall a great sled for "the wife" or any "average trail rider". When we have other friends visit who have NEVER ridden a sled, they are also very at home and at ease on it.

We received 5" in Dorchester last night, turning to mixed precip and rain this morning. Went up yesterday after getting done early at work to do some fall clean-up...only to find 2 inches of snow in the yard then. Guess I miss out on leaf duty this year. Just hope the ground freezes before the snow and that the ponds/lakes/streams/etc recede quickly. Nothing like a frozen body of water with dead air space underneath!

Well- I hope we have a lot of good riding snow around here this year, and don't get that reckoning warm-up in Jan. or Feb. that brings the season to an early end. I just read an article written by a NASA scientist, who believes that the lack of sunspots over the last year will bring record cold. https://www.iceagenow.info/lack-of-sunspots-to-bring-record-cold-warns-nasa-scientist/

A winter storm warning today for northern Coos County- up to 8" of snow. Looks like a coastal storm coming in Thursday night into Friday bringing some snow to most of NH. It'll take a lot of cold to freeze up all the water there is in the usual wet places, with brooks and rivers still running strong.

Rivercat - I did check the rest of the lines. They seem to be in great shape, pliable, and clean. Snorander - that sled looks great, clean as a whistle.

You may also find a large mouse nest in the air box while you're replacing those line, as I did. I wanted to upgrade the fuel lines from blue poly to tygon, but couldn't find 5/16'th ID tygon for the line from the tank to the fuel pump so it was blue poly again there and tygon for the rest. Tygon is probably overkill because the original blue poly lasted over 10 years, but now I can say I've modded the sled.

I hear this may be new model for next season especially with all of the global warming it may come in handy.Gotta love Old Iron buddy!

I have too many video's of rides, that I am behind you. I will not comment on how loose your back end is. I try and keep a distance. -nox

January 5, 2007 slednh group ride, (fast group)

We hada couple tornados touch down here in RI. This is a pic a friend took. Can’t identify if it’s a water spout although he did say photo was taken in direction of the Sakonnet River

I love that sled!!! BTW it's an 85 not a 79

Here's a couple of pics of an old guy reliving his youth on a couple of 72 and 73 Rupp Nitros. Still have the 73, should have it bronzed. One rare pic of me on a Starfire powered TX. pathfinder

Great Newfound pictures...Need something to happen like that again if the weather will cooperate. I also have a 79 Yamaha SS. Fun sled to ride...gave it to my oldest son a year or so ago. I stay on his ass to take care of it.

Hated the noise of dad's Fox Trac, but I loved to sit on it and vroom, vroom!

Love the old pics everyone! Here is one of me sitting on my Elan taking the safety course in 1982. (yes, I think my grandmother made my hat. lol)

Good pics!! From the olden days: 2009 Rochester Xmas parade

Shifty...hard to believe it's been 2 years since our sons took the safety class together. The mini z had many hours between my son and daughter...that sled was going nonstop. Dad had quite a workout shoveling piles of snow for their jumps!

My oldest on my snorander special ‘12. And my youngest on his first sled ‘11 or 12. He’s 15 and 6’4 now.

I asked these questions in a previous post in this thread, but no response. I find it interesting that while there's a good deal of talk here about the roles and responsibilities of the NHSA and the clubs, you seldom hear any official statements from either party. From what I read, neither the clubs or the NHSA even have an opinion of the club discount. The NHSA floated a trial balloon on registration increases, but I haven't heard any responses from a club either pro or con. Could be just the summer season I guess. Haven't heard any NHSA or club statements about how the issues around club memberships might be resolved. Probably summer season again. Probably in October we'll hear a lot of communications on these subjects and many others. Looking at the NHSA web site It seems that the priority issues are Camp Sno-Mo, the Volunteer Bonus Program, the Grass Drags, and Tucker Hibbard's retirement. Back in December 2017 the NHSA put up a story by F&G's Captain David Walsh, where he stressed the importance of maintaining good landowner relationships to keep trails open. Is there an NHSA committee that works on trail closure issues? Does the NHSA consider trail closures to be an equal priority to the Grass Drags, or something less? Would the health of our clubs be more or less important than the Easter Seals Ride-In? Does your club's newsletter discuss the challenges they're facing in maintaining club memberships and the existing trail structure, buying equipment, recruiting volunteers, and raising the funds to do all these things? From my experience, there are some clubs that do that, and many that don't. What does the NHSA think snowmobiling, and our trail system, will look like in 2025? In 2030? And, what could we do, and what are we doing, to preserve what we have as much as possible? The public tends to believe that the subject of our communications represents our priorities, or more simply, we talk about what we believe in, but is that true for the clubs and the NHSA? If so, I should probably make an Easter Seals' donation, volunteer to work the Grass Drags, and get a retirement card in the mail to Tucker Hibbard,

We'll see if there is any update to this at tonight's board meeting in Tilton. Oh goodie another long wasted night!