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[WICKED]

The dealer inspected my sled and found nothing wrong,i went there and they said it runs,I told then that wasn't good enough they said after warming to room temp it could be pulled over.So i lost a week resevations that i had to pay for 700 dollars, i have a 15 thousand dollar sled that i can't ride when it gets below freezing because its impossible to pull start.If i had know that i could only start my sled on warm days i wouldn't have brought it.Bottom line is i'm not happy,i asked my dealer to install elec start at no cost to me and there checking with doo.As far as the four 8-10sec full throttle pulls i made across the lake the dealer said no damage could come of it where its still in break in mode and it pumps extra oil as you pull the throttle.So with that said whats everyone input thanks Wicked

[RENAGADE1]

WICKED, on 17 January 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

The dealer inspected my sled and found nothing wrong,i went there and they said it runs,I told then that wasn't good enough they said after warming to room temp it could be pulled over.So i lost a week resevations that i had to pay for 700 dollars, i have a 15 thousand dollar sled that i can't ride when it gets below freezing because its impossible to pull start.If i had know that i could only start my sled on warm days i wouldn't have brought it.Bottom line is i'm not happy,i asked my dealer to install elec start at no cost to me and there checking with doo.As far as the four 8-10sec full throttle pulls i made across the lake the dealer said no damage could come of it where its still in break in mode and it pumps extra oil as you pull the throttle.So with that said whats everyone input thanks Wicked

I will say that when it drops down to the sigle digits and my sled (04 Renagade 800 HO) it very hard to pull over, however, I do have electric start. Even on the very cold days I alwys pull it over by hand with the kill-switch in "off" to just rotate the equipment before using the starter. I just cant believe that it froze up that bad. I tend to agree with the one post earlier that putting it in the trailer directly after the hot runs may have caused more condensation? Good Luck and I am sure skidoo will do the right thing.

[SMARTpowersports]

It's a snowmobile...shouldn't it start when it's cold? If you can't pull it over by hand, I doubt an electric starter is going to get much more cranking power, but I could be wrong.

I would take it back home and if it happens again, get as specific details as possible for them so they can figure it out, if they can not simulate the conditions it happened in, I doubt they will be able to do anything about it.

Doug

Edited by SMARTpowersports, 17 January 2012 - 03:13 PM.

[Oldtimer]

Should be able to pull it over very slowly no matter how cold, but you said it was "frozen". That's not right, don't care how much compression it has. I'd demand a straight up trade for an E-tec 600 or maybe put some short coin with it for a 1200. If the sled is fine, then the dealer shouldn't be out any money and will have a happy customer.

[stinx]

my 2010 800R was harder to pull over but never impossible, even in minus zero temps. Somethings off with your sled.

[800R Gade X]

just a thought but if it is dumping extra oil in during break in would that make it hard to pull over? I thought it lock up going across the lake though?

[gunmaker]

Last year my 03 Rx1 would not start when i lefr it outside up by Diamond Peaks Motel. It got below 0 and there was now way it would start by itself. We put a box on it.

[digitNH]

Did they give you a reason why the light came on for overcharging?
I hope this all works out in the end

[SnoWorx Racing]

This is actually a growing problem with the 800r motor. Hate to say it, but Doo is probably not going to do anything for you. Even if you had electric start, that wouldn't do you any good, because those starters are weaker than the average guy at the end of the pull cord. All you'll end up doing is burning starter motors out. I have been looking into this problem to come up with a fix as well as the main cause of this but the way this seaseon has been, I have not really been able to test as much as I have wanted. I'll keep everyone posted as the season continues and my findings.

[Baron62]

I think Pathfinder and others were right on the money. It is a new tight tolerance motor and it was very very cold out which made it tough to turn the motor. When temps are subzero even my 600 SDI is tough to pull over. Since you have the 3 year engine warranty (smart move), I would continue to ride the machine until it really breaks. Does anyone sell a heater that could safely be used in a covered trailer to pre-heat the machine? If you were at the burg, Next time I suggest taking the sled to Lemieux Garage in Colebrook. You will get great service from them. Good luck and be careful on that rocket.

[ct_skidoo]

But still even @ -15 or -20F the motor should turn over. Not sure who the dealer is but Lemieux's or Garneau's who deal with the extreme cold more up north may be somebody to try.

Edited by ct_skidoo, 17 January 2012 - 08:25 PM.

[sled_guy64]

When I read your first post, I would have guessed that you had a pinched oil line from origninal manufacturing and the extra oil in the gas tank that the dealers usually put in for break in kept you going for the first 200 miles. I was surprised to hear that it could be pulled over when it got warmed up and that they think it froze up. I was in Pittsburg on Saturday and Sunday also and we left our sleds outside all night Saturday night and had no issues starting any of them even at -15 degrees at 7:15AM when we left to ride. My only complaint is that my seat was really hard. :-) One on my buddies used to have an 800 Ski doo w/o electric start and I've pulled it at -10 degrees many times. It did pull hard but we could always turn it over and get it running.

Something just doesn't sound right with this sled. It may never happen again but you won't know until it does. I'd keep working with the dealer.

[ICG]

Why heat a trailer ? One of the manufacturers makes a plug in block heater for their machines...

When its really cold I plug in my diesel car, truck or tractor for easier starting

[SHOWEM]

I get a kick out of certain people (click) can bash brands and nothing is said about it. I guess there is 2 sets of rules on this site

[WICKED]

The sled light came on cause my heated shield was junk showing the system as over charging.The dealers do not add extra oil to the new e'tecs because its all built in to the computer and they are set up to run more oil during break in.The motor never locked up when i was running it after i came off the lake i parked and the next morning being -17 it was locked up tight even the dealer couldn't pull it over.Once it warmed to room temp it would pull over but even the dealer said it still seemed harder than it should be.Hope this clears some of the confusion still waiting to hear back from Doo 2 days and counting Wicked

[RayC]

Just push for the ELEC START . Doo knows that there is a problem.
As your last effort, eather sell the machine or take the hit and pay for the electric start.
We installed electric start on my son-in-laws mxz 600 , and they are very happy and starts in any condition.

Edited by RayC, 18 January 2012 - 07:36 AM.

[WICKED]

My Dealer is asking Ski Doo to install elec start at no cost to me.No where's did doo say anything about not being able to pull start the 800etecs the reason i got pull start is so i wouldn't get stuck somewhere's with a dead battery and didn't want the extra weight.I am a Platinum Owner and have brought 8 brand new sleds in the last 8yrs and have talked my friends into buying 6 more. Its doo's call 300 dollars there cost for the electric start if they think its worth losing my buiness over then so be it.

[WICKED]

Just talked to the dealer doo's not going to doo anything,they want to wait and have the dealer hold my sled till its get below 0 and try it they already told them it was below 0 when i brought it in and it still wouldn't pull over.If they don't resolve this problem then i will never buy another doo again.The problem i have with electric start is you get no pull start,I know they used to have both,but i am sure they did away with the pull starts because of cost cutting.When i'm 200 miles from anywhere's i would rather have as many back up plans as possible Wicked.

[Hardy]

Sounds like you need a new dealer bud, that stinks!

[WICKED]

I just called BRP and filed a claim,they said that there's something wrong with my motor but don't know what. They want to wait till it gets cold out and try it again,for what they already now it won't pull over when its cold.Seems like i'm getting the run around,they have me on a waiting game they said i can pick up my sled to ride but what good does it do me if i can't start it when its gets cold out Wicked