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[Oldtimer]

Pretty sure it was a federal loan guarantee, not a loan. Unless they default, no money from the fed.

[rneal55555]

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Edited by rneal55555, 04 December 2011 - 10:11 PM.

[SHOWEM]

NHsledin, on 04 December 2011 - 12:34 PM, said:

And I agree.

If you painted them camo you wouldn't even notice them!!

[NHsledin]

SHOWEM, on 05 December 2011 - 11:21 AM, said:

If you painted them camo you wouldn't even notice them!!

And that would help stimulate more jobs right?

[SHOWEM]

ABSOLUTLELY!!

[cardinalcabins]

One thing to remember is for every watt you can produce with "temporary" or "variable" sources like wind and solar, you need to backup with an on demand source (coal, wood, nuke etc.).

All wind or all solar would leave EVERYONE very unhappy.

In the end, balance is usually the best way to go. As far as wind goes, if they are located in a wind zone (NH has a several of them) they do create a lot of power. I think the key is to get the majority of those effected by it to be in agreement with/about it, not some corporate land grab empowered by a "feel good" mentality.

As far as someone that lives in Nashua or Keene or Lowell or wherever complaining about a wind farm in lempster, or wherever - so what. If you don't like them, try to live near them.

[dualmass]

motie777, on 04 December 2011 - 08:08 AM, said:

if these windmills were such a great idea private investers would be lined up for this project. Instead the gov. is spending well over 100 mil. on this feel good green project. money that they know will never be paid back. did this project create local jobs? barely. The energy produced will be going out of state. Nothing wrong with wanting to be energy independant, but these windmills are not going to do it.

[Oldtimer]

Again, no federal monies spent.

[NHsledin]

Oldtimer, on 27 January 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Again, no federal monies spent.

Not yet...They'll need a bailout in a few years.

[Bilbo]

NHsledin, on 27 January 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Not yet...They'll need a bailout in a few years.

Bail out later or piss it away up front. Just like Solyndra.

[dualmass]

NO federal $$??

Who produces windmills in the US?

largest producer is GE, they get Dump truck loads of $$ from US and pay almost NO taxes! its a "Shell" game

Windmills are a joke, and solar is no better

Its like hybrid cars,
there is no real cost savings,
just a scam on people who do not research the numbers

READ this...http://www.aweo.org/windconsumption.html

Edited by dualmass, 05 February 2012 - 08:49 AM.

[Pantera99]

dualmass, on 05 February 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

NO federal $$??

Who produces windmills in the US?

largest producer is GE, they get Dump truck loads of $$ from US and pay almost NO taxes! its a "Shell" game

Windmills are a joke, and solar is no better

Its like hybrid cars,
there is no real cost savings,
just a scam on people who do not research the numbers

READ this...http://www.aweo.org/windconsumption.html

Hmmm.. you caught my attention about the Solar & windmill's ... I am assuming your speaking of to make enough electricity to like power a town or city correct?
As just an individual Home ( off the Grid ).. It does work. The unfortunate thing is we all can't have a Windmill, but Solar does work. Only thing is it does require some daily/twice a day checking of the Batteries. Of course on that note: you do need some sort of Back-up system like propane/or natural gas.

I did read the info you directed folk's too at the bottom about windconsumption. In all fairness they are correct or The people that investigated into how much power ( from its own source is needed ) to keep it Operational for less Mechanical failures down the road.

I guess my point here is..If one doesn't try or experiment on alternative energy's...How can the world as a whole Learn on how to save energy ? WE ALL see wasteful energy ( electric ) everyday of our live's...
Ummm.. by being on here...this is more communication, just a way of being on a "party-line" for the whole world to see if they have a mind too.

Edited by Pantera99, 05 February 2012 - 09:20 AM.

[dualmass]

"Try or Experiment" is ok with me
just Do it with YOUR money not mine!

"partyline"?

imagine If this happens on diamond peak ,, AWESOME!!

Edited by dualmass, 05 February 2012 - 10:33 AM.

[dualmass]

If the Government wants to dump money, why not Hydrogen??

Edited by dualmass, 05 February 2012 - 09:32 AM.

[Pantera99]

Good Post Dual...

Intersesting about the Hydrogen cell'd vehicle's. It's going to be the price "Tag" and how convienent that type of fuel will be available.. I mean 65 mpg's avg. is awesome ..along with little or no emmision ( some/had the gas switch button )

I meant..jokingly we were wasting electricity here on the PC checking out one of our favorite pass-time websites..LOL

[mrsnowmobile]

sno-dust, on 30 November 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

I did say UGLY.,But then again so are cell / radio towers,fire towers etc.Do you really see any of that when traveling down a perfectly groomed trail at 40 mph.
Pristine Forest I think,should be unharvested tracts of land of which are non existent in New England..More resembling this.
Taken from the wilderness act of 1964
The Wilderness Act continues to be the guiding piece of legislation for all wilderness areas. The Act describes wilderness as follows:

"...lands designated for preservation and protection in their natural condition..." Section 2(a)

"...an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man..." Section 2©

"...an area of undeveloped Federal land retaining its primeval character and influence, without permanent improvement or human habitation..." Section 2©

"...generally appears to have been affected primarily by the forces of nature, with the imprint of man's work substantially unnoticeable..." Section 2©

"...has outstanding opportunities for solitude or a primitive and unconfined type of recreation..." Section 2©

Look what your posting. Are you actually reading it? Once an area is designated a "wilderness" area, you wouldn't be snowmobiling either. I don't think they are bad. My opinion, lesser of two evils. The Tug Hill area in upstate NY has hundreds of wind towers. They go on for miles and miles.

Edited by mrsnowmobile, 05 February 2012 - 11:42 AM.

[AdrenalineJunky]

I saw all these while riding this weekend. I'm neutral on it, but if you like these, you must support northern pass as well. Whats the difference? I saw huge power lines leading down from these and they are scattered about. Why not a huge swath right down through ala northern pass>? Pockets will be lined, and it will happen eventually. BTW, jimmy carter was a clown. We need our own oil now, not alternative niche market gove funded billions lost BS tax payer abuse type gimmicks.