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[laker]

Last Sunday ( Jan. 23rd ) pulled by the lot at the baseball field at the rotary-FILLED.

Trucks were parking all along the road, which was posted " NO PARKING ".

Pulled into Sandy's- FILLED.

Drove over to the other lot across from the Pizza place, it was unplowed, but someone had busted through at one point, so I tried to get in there. Lucky I had 4wd, so I made it in, and out.

THREE LOTS AVAILABLE AT MASSABESIC, AND NONE OF THEM PLOWED AND OPEN TO SNOWMOBILERS!

The huge lot at the lake on Rt. 28 is never plowed!!!

The lot at the boat ramp near the church is never plowed!!!

The lot at the boat ramp on rt. 121 is never plowed!!!

MANCHESTER WATER WORKS controls these lots, why aren't they plowed??

At Sunapee the massive lot is plowed.

At Newfound the lot is plowed.

If the state is not going to make parking available for snowmobilers at Massabesic, then they should refund our registration fees.

[RK-SXViper]

laker, on 28 January 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

Last Sunday ( Jan. 23rd ) pulled by the lot at the baseball field at the rotary-FILLED.

Trucks were parking all along the road, which was posted " NO PARKING ".

Pulled into Sandy's- FILLED.

Drove over to the other lot across from the Pizza place, it was unplowed, but someone had busted through at one point, so I tried to get in there. Lucky I had 4wd, so I made it in, and out.

THREE LOTS AVAILABLE AT MASSABESIC, AND NONE OF THEM PLOWED AND OPEN TO SNOWMOBILERS!

The huge lot at the lake on Rt. 28 is never plowed!!!

The lot at the boat ramp near the church is never plowed!!!

The lot at the boat ramp on rt. 121 is never plowed!!!

MANCHESTER WATER WORKS controls these lots, why aren't they plowed??

At Sunapee the massive lot is plowed.

At Newfound the lot is plowed.

If the state is not going to make parking available for snowmobilers at Massabesic, then they should refund our registration fees.

I'm not sure those are all legal parking spots. The state map is inaccurate for southern nh parking spots, Rockingham county has one listed and 4 shown on the map, and only 3 are legit and only 1 is in the right spot. Totally messed up. Also the state budget for parking lot plowing was severly cut.

[Oldtimer]

Perhaps you should first be SURE those lots are open for use, then take one for the team and plow them yourself, or hire it out and pay for it. I plow several spots out myself, just in case, and because I can.

[Pantera99]

Ya know.. I'm going to Agree with OT... Laker..you have, for the Past 3 years asked on several occasion's where you can off Load... and some people will chearp in and give you possibilite's of where you may find a spot...
Most of these ARE private ..or like you mentioned owned by the Water Work's... You should be Happy enough that the Manchester Water Work's ALLOW's us to Use Snowmobiles and small water Craft as it is...Being a Watershed for the City and surrounding Town's...

We Gave you a Great Option...Join the Snow Slicker club and you'd have Parking anytime you please...24/7 ...only 10 minutes from where you were at the Circle.. Beside's it's the Trail system you planned to ride on Correct??? what better way than to support that club...

What refund are you speaking about??? the STATE only has a few Places.. yes it's unfortunate that the Map doesn't say EXACTLY which one of the 3 mentioned is for the State off exit 1, 28-by pass.. I'd Call the NHSA ..and find out which ? ...
I'm just thankful...that someone hasn't come up with an IDEA to Charge $30 a day to park at their Private Faucilities...

[laker]

Oldtimer, on 28 January 2011 - 12:58 PM, said:

Perhaps you should first be SURE those lots are open for use, then take one for the team and plow them yourself, or hire it out and pay for it. I plow several spots out myself, just in case, and because I can.

Why is the big lot plowed ar Bear Brook?

Why is the big lot plowed at Pawtuckaway?

Why are all the other lakes with their big lots plowed?? ( SUNAPEE, NEWFOUND )

I don't have a plow on my truck, but I will pay if I have to. Where is the money going, if not for grooming and plowing lots. They boosted the fees this year, and we get NO PARKING!!

The big lot at Massabesic should be plowed like all the others, no excuse. Maybe there's some politics involved.

[Patriot]

laker, on 28 January 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Why is the big lot plowed ar Bear Brook?

Why is the big lot plowed at Pawtuckaway?

Why are all the other lakes with their big lots plowed?? ( SUNAPEE, NEWFOUND )

I don't have a plow on my truck, but I will pay if I have to. Where is the money going, if not for grooming and plowing lots. They boosted the fees this year, and we get NO PARKING!!

The big lot at Massabesic should be plowed like all the others, no excuse. Maybe there's some politics involved.

All the places you listed (Bear Brook, Pawtuckaway etc) are state parks. Owned/run by the state. The areas around Massabesic are owned by the city of Manch, and other private landowners. BIG difference.
Registering a snowmobile in the state of NH in no way guarantees a parking place. That is kind of silly.
As others have suggested, join the local club and park there without any problems.

[Freedom Rider]

laker, on 28 January 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Why is the big lot plowed ar Bear Brook?

Why is the big lot plowed at Pawtuckaway?

Why are all the other lakes with their big lots plowed?? ( SUNAPEE, NEWFOUND )

I don't have a plow on my truck, but I will pay if I have to. Where is the money going, if not for grooming and plowing lots. They boosted the fees this year, and we get NO PARKING!!

The big lot at Massabesic should be plowed like all the others, no excuse. Maybe there's some politics involved.

I would suggest attending the club in the area's meeting's. The registration money goes to F&G and the Trails Bureau.I wouldn't compare the parking area's in State Parks with the parking area owned by a municipality. They don't have to let you ride there. With all of the Homeland Security issues going on be thankfull you have a place to ride.

The SnowSlickers do an awesome job with what they have to work with. I am sure they would welcome your membership,donations,labor, idea's, and support.They have a nice parking area with access cards that is reserved for members. What more could you ask for?

"The big lot at Massabesic should be plowed like all the others, no excuse. Maybe there's some politics involved." Are you a resident of Manchester? If so, attend your City Council meetings and ask if theycan pay to plow the lot instead of paying firefighter's, police, highway, or teachers. You will soon realize that the parking lot you area asking about is irrelavent.

[Oldtimer]

The club in the area of the lot needs to apply for, and then be granted GIA monies for plowing. Then they need to have them plowed out, and then submit for reimbursement. The club(s) may or may not have the time and or energy to see to that.
So, your best bet is to do some homework and then get involved. Many hands make light work.
Also, the reg went up, but have you priced out a new Tucker Terra 1000HD lately?
How about pressure treated wood? The trails in NH must have over 5000 PT bridges. Your reg funds them.

[Freedom Rider]

Oldtimer, on 28 January 2011 - 12:58 PM, said:

Perhaps you should first be SURE those lots are open for use, then take one for the team and plow them yourself, or hire it out and pay for it. I plow several spots out myself, just in case, and because I can.

Agreed 100% with you!

[RK-SXViper]

laker, on 28 January 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Why is the big lot plowed ar Bear Brook?

Why is the big lot plowed at Pawtuckaway?

Why are all the other lakes with their big lots plowed?? ( SUNAPEE, NEWFOUND )

I don't have a plow on my truck, but I will pay if I have to. Where is the money going, if not for grooming and plowing lots. They boosted the fees this year, and we get NO PARKING!!

The big lot at Massabesic should be plowed like all the others, no excuse. Maybe there's some politics involved.

Registration $ from this year goes towards next year. Both state parks I believe a plowed by state employees. They cut back on what they pay to plow and what lots their paying for. A lot of these lots were and are plowed by volunteers and at $3 a gallon plowing a big lot can get expensive. I know what it takes to plow a big lot because I have for years, even when the state had no $ I still plowed, even going back two or three times to plow where trucks were parked.

[laker]

Pantera99, on 28 January 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Ya know.. I'm going to Agree with OT... Laker..you have, for the Past 3 years asked on several occasion's where you can off Load... and some people will chearp in and give you possibilite's of where you may find a spot...
Most of these ARE private ..or like you mentioned owned by the Water Work's... You should be Happy enough that the Manchester Water Work's ALLOW's us to Use Snowmobiles and small water Craft as it is...Being a Watershed for the City and surrounding Town's...

We Gave you a Great Option...Join the Snow Slicker club and you'd have Parking anytime you please...24/7 ...only 10 minutes from where you were at the Circle.. Beside's it's the Trail system you planned to ride on Correct??? what better way than to support that club...

What refund are you speaking about??? the STATE only has a few Places.. yes it's unfortunate that the Map doesn't say EXACTLY which one of the 3 mentioned is for the State off exit 1, 28-by pass.. I'd Call the NHSA ..and find out which ? ...
I'm just thankful...that someone hasn't come up with an IDEA to Charge $30 a day to park at their Private Faucilities...

I don't care if they shut down access. I assume they will have to shut access for all other users also, right?? Hikers, bikers, snowshoers, cross-country skiers, etc.

There are THREE parking lots around the lake that are not being utilized. People are being FORCED to park on the
posted " NO PARKING " area on Rt. 28. They could get ticketed or towed, or both.

I'm not joining the Snow Slickers because I basically don't ride those trails. I go to run on the lake, not the trails. I go to Pittsburg, for the trails.

I think it's POLITICS that is keeping the sleds reduced at Massabesic. If they open those lots there will be a lot more sleds around there, and I notice a lot of Dog-walkers, hikers, etc, don't like sleds.

POLITICS, just like what kept the State from putting in a big ramp at Sunapee.

Somebody has the pull around Massabesic to keep the lots closed!!

Sledders, call Manchester Water Works and demand that they plow the lots!! Call the State Trails Department. Call the Manchester Union Leader, and WMUR!!

Don't let yourself be used like a scumbag, because some big-shot around Massabesic doesn't want sleds. If they won't provide reasonable parking, then let them PUBLISH it, so people won't bother to register their sleds. Don't let them take your increased registration fees, and let you be forced to park in unplowed lots, or in posted " NO PARKING " zones.

[laker]

Freedom Rider, on 28 January 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

I would suggest attending the club in the area's meeting's. The registration money goes to F&G and the Trails Bureau.I wouldn't compare the parking area's in State Parks with the parking area owned by a municipality. They don't have to let you ride there. With all of the Homeland Security issues going on be thankfull you have a place to ride.

The SnowSlickers do an awesome job with what they have to work with. I am sure they would welcome your membership,donations,labor, idea's, and support.They have a nice parking area with access cards that is reserved for members. What more could you ask for?

"The big lot at Massabesic should be plowed like all the others, no excuse. Maybe there's some politics involved." Are you a resident of Manchester? If so, attend your City Council meetings and ask if theycan pay to plow the lot instead of paying firefighter's, police, highway, or teachers. You will soon realize that the parking lot you area asking about is irrelavent.

I'll pay my share to have it plowed. How much is my share? Tell me where to send the check. What about the guys that can't afford to pay anymore, do you want them to pay the increased reg. fee, and park on Rt28 in a " NO PARKING " zone where they could get killed trying to access the trails??? Is that what you want?

[Oldtimer]

You have the wrong attitude about this. A registration does not come with a guarantee of free and easy parking. It's up to us to find safe available parking. If there isn't any, then create some or go where there IS some.
Also, the lake is not a state or club maintained trail.
It's "public". So technically, your Reg doesn't have any connection to your being able to park and ride on the lake.

[Rad8165]

I went to the snoslickers clubhouse last night to try my keycard, it worked bye the way,,One truck with a trailer in the lo,t if you joined the club, it would be cheaper then paying to plow a parking lot!

[Freedom Rider]

laker, on 28 January 2011 - 03:19 PM, said:

I'll pay my share to have it plowed. How much is my share? Tell me where to send the check. What about the guys that can't afford to pay anymore, do you want them to pay the increased reg. fee, and park on Rt28 in a " NO PARKING " zone where they could get killed trying to access the trails??? Is that what you want?

I found the address for you to send a check:

Plowed parking
C/O Southern New Hampshire Snow Slickers
73 Tower Hill Road, Candia, NH 03034
$30.00 annually with one time $10.00 for gate pass.

There is a saying if you can't afford to pay then don't play!

I am sure many would like to have more parking. In todays depressed economy, we should be thankfull for what we have. The system is over burdened as it is. Why do you ask so many questions about grooming and parking for SNHSS trail systems if they are not "worthy" of your membership? You speak of how nice and conveniant it is to be able to save $50.00 on gas by riding there.You find that hoping it gets shutdown will get you more parking? It is hard enough to get trail systems open and money to fund them. If you are not happy with parking pony up or find another place to go. Don't ruin it for those who enjoy the use of Manchester Water Works.As they own all of the land and lake that you are a guest on, you have to play by their rules.

[laker]

Oldtimer, on 28 January 2011 - 02:59 PM, said:

The club in the area of the lot needs to apply for, and then be granted GIA monies for plowing. Then they need to have them plowed out, and then submit for reimbursement. The club(s) may or may not have the time and or energy to see to that.
So, your best bet is to do some homework and then get involved. Many hands make light work.
Also, the reg went up, but have you priced out a new Tucker Terra 1000HD lately?
How about pressure treated wood? The trails in NH must have over 5000 PT bridges. Your reg funds them.

Well, I think that expains it!! The Southern New Hampshire Snow Slappers are the ones that SHOULD be plowing those THREE publicly-owned lots, under the purview of the Manchester Water Works. However all that I'm getting is JOIN the SNHSS, pay the dues, then pay extra for parking!!!

Well, it's fairly obvious what's going on here....snowmobile extortion!! Obviously someone in that club carries some weight in the area, because people are being FORCED to park on Rt. 28, risking their lives. If and when somebody gets hurt or killed there, I want to hear what the LEGAL, FINANCIAL defense is going to be when someone is in a civil suit in Superior court. Guess what, there will be NO defense!!! Those are municipal lots, for the public
good. The registration fees were increased this year, and those THREE lots remain unplowed. Local clubs get money for grooming, why aren't they plowing????

[Oldtimer]

Show me where on your snowmobile registration it says you are entitled to parking where you feel it should be made available.

I'll wait.

And the local club isn't all volunteer. They are not paid.
And the State GIA program is exactly flush with excess cash.
Plowing parking lots is the LAST thing the NH snowmobile clubs care about right now. Most are hoping they can earn enough grooming money to pay the damn bank loans they have.

You obviously have no clue about how the trail systems are organized and funded.

[laker]

Oldtimer, on 28 January 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

You have the wrong attitude about this. A registration does not come with a guarantee of free and easy parking. It's up to us to find safe available parking. If there isn't any, then create some or go where there IS some.
Also, the lake is not a state or club maintained trail.
It's "public". So technically, your Reg doesn't have any connection to your being able to park and ride on the lake.

I never said I expected a guarantee of parking for my reg. I said if the State who got my increased reg. money, is not going to provide reasonable parking, they should make it known PUBLICLY that there will be essentially NO PARKING available for snowmobilers in the Massabesic area. They should let sledders know BEFORE they buy their increased reg, that WHOEVER is responsible for plowing the THREE lots available at Massabesic, that they will NOT be plowed. This will influence some sledders whether or not to buy their reg. knowing that parking won't be available, unless they want to violate state law by parking on Rt. 28, and risking their lives, and the lives of their kids.

As for riding on the lake, snowmobiling is an " ALLOWED " use on Lake Massabesic. It is under the rules and regs. of the Manchester Water Works, ( RSAs) The western side of the lake is OFF-LIMITS, as are ATVs. The club trail runs about fity feet from the lake, which is open to the public, therefore my reg, has EVERYTHING to do with riding on the lake. A legally registered sled is allowed on that lake by statute.

[The Toolman]

laker, on 28 January 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

I never said I expected a guarantee of parking for my reg. I said if the State who got my increased reg. money, is not going to provide reasonable parking, they should make it known PUBLICLY that there will be essentially NO PARKING available for snowmobilers in the Massabesic area. They should let sledders know BEFORE they buy their increased reg, that WHOEVER is responsible for plowing the THREE lots available at Massabesic, that they will NOT be plowed. This will influence some sledders whether or not to buy their reg. knowing that parking won't be available, unless they want to violate state law by parking on Rt. 28, and risking their lives, and the lives of their kids.

As for riding on the lake, snowmobiling is an " ALLOWED " use on Lake Massabesic. It is under the rules and regs. of the Manchester Water Works, ( RSAs) The western side of the lake is OFF-LIMITS, as are ATVs. The club trail runs about fity feet from the lake, which is open to the public, therefore my reg, has EVERYTHING to do with riding on the lake. A legally registered sled is allowed on that lake by statute.

All I can say is WOW!!!

[laker]

Oldtimer, on 28 January 2011 - 06:43 PM, said:

Show me where on your snowmobile registration it says you are entitled to parking where you feel it should be made available.

I'll wait.

And the local club isn't all volunteer. They are not paid.
And the State GIA program is exactly flush with excess cash.
Plowing parking lots is the LAST thing the NH snowmobile clubs care about right now. Most are hoping they can earn enough grooming money to pay the damn bank loans they have.

You obviously have no clue about how the trail systems are organized and funded.

I never said I was entitled to parking, just by virtue of the fact that I bought an INCREASED reg. I said that there are THREE lots available at Lake Massabesic, and they are NOT being plowed for sled access, forcing people to park in violation of POSTED " NO PARKING " signs, on Rt. 28, risking their safety, and their kids safety.


If either the state, SNHSS, or Manchester Water Works refuses to plow these THREE public lots, they should make it known PUBLICLY, so people will not buy their INCREASED reg's again.

Local clubs get money from the state for grooming, right? What else is there to know?