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[slushpup]

got a new landowner on a class 6 road he sent us a letter stating "his" road needs to be posted 10 mph any thoughts??

[Pantera99]

yeah ... take it for what it is... if it's a road to his home .. 10 mph is usually the way they post it for saftey ... would hate to see a trail connect get closed ...

[OldViperRider]

Yep, the alternative is he shuts it down. We have to keep the landowners happy or we will be riding on only our own property.

Mark

[slushpup]

OldViperRider, on Jan 24 2009, 09:22 PM, said:

Yep, the alternative is he shuts it down. We have to keep the landowners happy or we will be riding on only our own property.

Mark

I agree with keeping landowners happy and belive me after the ass kissing I have done this year to keep trails open,I need a case of chap- stick. BUT if we cant keep 4x4 trucks off a class 6 how can he close what he dosent own?? not trying to start a pizzin contest

[Seeker]

Well the law says public ways open to OHRV or snowmobile use = 10mph. Guess this qualifies. If there were no houses on it I would call it a 45 mph trail but I was wrong once.
Don't understand why but different towns seem to classify class 6 roads differently. Seems to me that more people are moving into those areas that were never plowed before and regardless of road class are demanding their 'rights'.

[trailguy]

class 6 roads are owned by the town so permission comes from the town selectman and if it is plowed 10 mph is it. if a landowner owns it ,it must be an discontinued class 6 road and the town no longer owns it.

[Skip]

slushpup, on Jan 24 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

got a new landowner on a class 6 road he sent us a letter stating "his" road needs to be posted 10 mph any thoughts??

If it is indeed a Class VI road (still controlled by the Town or City it resides in) the Club or State is responsible for two things in order to legally allow snowmobiles to travel any distance upon it:

First, permission to allow the use of snowmobiles on a defined portion of the roadway must be in place, usually via a Town or City ordinance

And second, directly to your question, the speed limit by State law is 10 MPH.

This is the applicable portion of RSA 215-C:8 (operation of snowmobiles)

...(2) 10 miles per hour on class I through VI highways when the snowmobile is being operated within the rights-of-way adjacent to such highways; town or city sidewalks; class IV, V, and VI highways approved for snowmobile operation; and bridges open for snowmobile operation...

As pointed out earlier, it is best to keep the adjacent landowners happy, and appropriate posting of the road seems to me, anyway, to be a simple way to do this. The last thing a Club needs is to have a Class VI landowner, or group of landowners, get upset and petition the Town/City to either ban snowmobiles, or to return the roadway to the adjacent property owenrs as a private way!

Hope this helped explain it a little better.....

[smallengineguy]

I'll put in some cash for more chapstick, slushpup.....

[Oldtimer]

Don't tell him he does not own it, just smile and say "OK, anything for a landowner, thank you!"...

[Tim]

DO NOT stir up the landowner, even it is truly a town class 6 rd. We had a deeded trail on a class 6 rd and lost the trail because the lanowner was adament enough to take to court and won. Because of the initial "fight" he kicked us out. Talk with the landowner find out what he or she wants and do it! Good idea to have trailmaster/administrator and President and maybe vp or board member there to show the landowner extra respect and make sure that everything talked about is going to be taken sersiously. 10 mph is better than reroute! Sign the crap out of it!

[Pantera99]

Sorry for the quickest interpetation I gave you slushpup... ( just Glad I gave you the correct info ) ... Thanks Skip for posting the current Law... Folk's, having the local Club Pres., Vice Pres. local police..or even a Conservation officer to help a landowner understand that you as a Club and local authorities will help MONITOR any wrong doing to address a Landowner or Abuter to solve issues is a HUGE feather in your'e cap... and if some club members or OHRV users don't agree...like Skip say's and others...Politily say without anger, Well you have to look at thier point of view.. wether it be noise, saftey or a YAHOO figuring they won't be back... AS long as the Landowner feel's that the Local club cares TOTALLY about situations...the TIE that BONDS will be there.. TRUST me on this one...
Trying to re-open a trail for carelessness is very hard on alot of people... BUT you catch enough CULPRITS in the act and turn them in...and the authorities act on it...the Landowner now has that sense of sincerity the Club does care and its not the Majority causing issues, its the minority that is... Just my 2 cents..but it goes a long way...

Edited by Pantera99, 25 January 2009 - 11:39 AM.

[slushpup]

Skip, on Jan 25 2009, 06:59 AM, said:

If it is indeed a Class VI road (still controlled by the Town or City it resides in) the Club or State is responsible for two things in order to legally allow snowmobiles to travel any distance upon it:

First, permission to allow the use of snowmobiles on a defined portion of the roadway must be in place, usually via a Town or City ordinance

And second, directly to your question, the speed limit by State law is 10 MPH.

This is the applicable portion of RSA 215-C:8 (operation of snowmobiles)

...(2) 10 miles per hour on class I through VI highways when the snowmobile is being operated within the rights-of-way adjacent to such highways; town or city sidewalks; class IV, V, and VI highways approved for snowmobile operation; and bridges open for snowmobile operation...

As pointed out earlier, it is best to keep the adjacent landowners happy, and appropriate posting of the road seems to me, anyway, to be a simple way to do this. The last thing a Club needs is to have a Class VI landowner, or group of landowners, get upset and petition the Town/City to either ban snowmobiles, or to return the roadway to the adjacent property owenrs as a private way!

Hope this helped explain it a little better.....

Thanks Skip that was the RSA I found this morning,In his letter he quoted the one about bob houses......Trail master And I went over this morning to meet him,But he was'nt home ,Left him a note with our numbers so he can call us back.I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was we met him last year during a re-route and he seemed like a nice guy.Then We get a certified letter with a cease and desist order from him cc'd to BOT F&G and the selectmen.Could have been solved with phone call.

[The Toolman]

Tim tells me that there were several crosscountry skiers at our clubhouse on Sat. for food. I think that is a great thing, if we can keep "other" trail users coming around and talking with snowmobilers maybe we can overcome this bad guy image and learn to accept each others values. They want to enjoy the outdoors just as much as us, and after all the trails are for everyone. If they can start to accept us as the same, then maybe we can get some much needed help also. Then word can spread and maybe landowners will lighten up a little and we can get some trails back that were closed in the past. It will take a lot of self policeing, but it can happen. I would like to see a trail to King Pine ski area so snowmobilers could go to dinner or take their kids tubing, but that will take a solid plan to keep anyone from getting hurt.

[stinx]

IT sucks, but try and appease him and keep him happy. THe alernative sounds like it would mean a closed trail and reroute if possible.

[RayC]

[quote name='Skip' date='Jan 25 2009, 06:59 AM' post='30490']
If it is indeed a Class VI road (still controlled by the Town or City it resides in) the Club or State is responsible for two things in order to legally allow snowmobiles to travel any distance upon it:

First, permission to allow the use of snowmobiles on a defined portion of the roadway must be in place, usually via a Town or City ordinance

And second, directly to your question, the speed limit by State law is 10 MPH.


BINGO.....that is the answer...
over here in our town....we had two problems.......1. LARGE ruts ...by ATVand BIG trucks.....and 2. DUMPING....O all sort s of dumping So town vote(Selectemen vote).......will be Gated.........Gated.
end of problem.......no more trash.......will be open for snowmobilers....
and if that does not work.....there are other ways............

Edited by PHAZERMAN, 28 January 2009 - 06:45 PM.

[Freeride 1]

I have sen class IV roads that were once town owned revert to the landowners on both sides when the town gets sick of fixing it after big floods and things like that so it is good to have a relationship developed with the locals so they don't want to shut you down if they get legit control of access to the road. It is kind a regular thing with the big charity trail ride in June. The club has been running the class six roads for so long as part of the trail ride (street legal bikes) that a few roads have become private. Some still are cool with letting us through once a year and some not so much.